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his theories about attractive faces are legitimate as they're supported by peer reviewed studies. His cures for the problem are not legitimate and he was just pressed charges for scamming patients.

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this is only true for non-attractive people. If you're attractive, most of people will find you attractive no matter of the culture. Facial features that make one attractive are even mathematically describable, so basically you can put facial attractiveness in number and have a measure for it. Take an american guy who banged 100 chicks (#of banged chicks = 'by the tumb' measurement of facial attractiveness), take a russian guy who banged 100 chicks, take japanesse guy who banged 100 chick and look at their facial features. You'll find they share the same pattern.
Do they need to be the same 100? You know, in the interest of all this "science" you have going on?
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Re: 9 months in Switzerland - a honest report.

After looking at the number of groans, a quick browsing of the replies and finally seeing a post telling you to take the first flight home, I wanted to say I agree fully with the following points in your list:

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Hi guys. I'm a russian who moved to Switzerland 9 months ago. Here is my my honest opinion about Switzerland:

- swiss are so boring in average. I haven't met so boring people in my life. No sense of humor, no vibe, no character, complete zombies.

- I feel very not welcomed here

- when I use public transport, it's a daily routine that swiss stare in me like I came from Mars. Is it that bad to see a russian looking russian?

- For few times I've had very bad experience with cashiers - they either didn't want to speak a word with me, I've been thrown a bill at me like I'm a dog, but they often eye-roll.

- swiss people don't know how to stand in a line or they just purposely skip auslanders. I've get skipped in a line in a daily basis.

- swiss CAN SMELL a foreigner. I'm serious.

- swiss are racists.
I fully agree with your impression on the Swiss jumping queues and cashiers/servers (especially in Migros take-aways) being rude to foreigners and ignoring them while happily chatting to old Swiss ladies.

Also the staring is ridiculous and the indignant look on the faces of over 50s when they see anyone who somehow looks different (in color, ethnicity or religion) is hilarious. I must say young people are much better. So there is hope for future generations.

Another point I would like to add is how ready they are to teach you civilization when they see that you are a foreigner coming from a place to the east of Vienna. I can sense a lecture coming within seconds of arriving at a bus stop most times. There is always something they can teach you to do better.

A further point is the intolerance of the Swiss towards children. From the way they are making faces at and even telling off (yes occasionally they do that) my children you would think they reproduce by sprouting or germinating. My children were once told off by a 70 year old for being excited and loud in a Zoo! We had been there only 10 minutes.

Oh and about their lack of humor... I don't know if it's their bad English but i when I talk with my Swiss colleagues I feel as if they are from a different planet. Especially the men sound incredibly juvenile when joking. As to professional life, they make it out as if they know everything and if they cannot answer something, they will give a shrug as if it is not their fault not to know the answer but your fault for asking!!! I am not sure if women are the same because in my industry I work mainly with men.

In general I see them as a very passive-aggressive people.
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Re: 9 months in Switzerland - a honest report.

The best post I ever seen.
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Hi guys. I'm a russian who moved to Switzerland 9 months ago. Here is my my honest opinion about Switzerland:

- swiss don't like foreigners. This was reported with such a consistence that I'd call it a rule.
- swiss are extremely superficial
- swiss don't like me
- swiss are super snobby
- swiss are extremely narrow minded
- swiss are very judgemental
- swiss are rude
- swiss are ignorant
- swiss are so boring in average. I haven't met so boring people in my life. No sense of humor, no vibe, no character, complete zombies.

- I feel very not welcomed here
- for all the time I'm in CH I've made 0 swiss friends. I've been in many EU countries and in each one I've made at least one local friend, but unfortunately not in Switzerland.
- some swiss guy openly told me that swiss don't like foreigners. He even told me that swiss hate each other. He personally hates zurichers the most.
- when I came to CH I stayed at some swiss girl. She told me, that swiss people are very rude in general. Her BF didn't speak a word with me for a whole time.
- I also met argentinian girl told me that she has 0 swiss friends, while being for 3 years in CH. Then some guy told me he lives in CH for 30 years and none of his swiss neighbours invited him to their homes, but he hosted all of them.

- party life is utterly bad. In Zurich you have the long street - which is more like a nest of crime, rather than a center for party - and there is sth in Geneva, but haven't been there. That's it.

- swiss don't know how to party. Most of so-called parties are funerals with rubbish music.

- switzerland is so lifeless place. Towns don't have any vibe. There is no life. Just posh, clean stuff and money. Dead inside dead outside.

- when I use public transport, it's a daily routine that swiss stare in me like I came from Mars. Is it that bad to see a russian looking russian?

- For few times I've had very bad experience with cashiers - they either didn't want to speak a word with me, I've been thrown a bill at me like I'm a dog, but they often eye-roll.

- swiss people don't know how to stand in a line or they just purposely skip auslanders. I've get skipped in a line in a daily basis.

- I think that I get skipped even in restaurants. I often wait suspiciously long and many times they've served guest who came after me.

- I almost always have free seats when using public transport. If they get occupied, it's due to foreigners.

- swiss CAN SMELL a foreigner. I'm serious.

- if i try to speak with a swiss, conversations don't get over 1-2 mins long. Then he moves away, while giving me that semi-stare/creepy look.

- swiss women are extremely arrogant

- swiss are racists. I've noticed and heard this one so many times, that it hurts. Here I see black people with black people, and not mixed. Black people are always sitting alone in trains/busses. The exception to all of this are black women.

- switzerland simply doesn't feel European. It's a very bizarre place and has nothing in common with other EU countries. I can't imagine these guys ever joining EU.

- swiss food feels so plastic.

- swiss life is so slow. Switzerland is slow.

- swiss use a word 'auslander' a lot

- swiss women eye-roll to me a lot

- money that is earned in switzerland isn't very remarkable to spend in switzerland. Everything is so damn expensive that if you want to have the same life style as in comparable country, you many end with the same amount or no savings, especially if you have a family. Restaurants are extremely expensive. Meat prices are crazy. Dentist prices are crazy. Partying in clubs is expensive. Having a lively life stile while trying to make some decent savings, a 6000CHF brutto is not enough.

- swiss employers don't appreciate my work. They see me as necessary evil, because I can do stuff few time better than theywould and for half lower price. They don't like me as a person.

- if one speaks german and is nice/polite/doesn't act like having a metal rod in his/her ass, he or she is a german. This is a rule for me.

-swiss see germans as farmers or sth with lower grade.

-it's worthless to learn swiss german. Everybody said to me not to waste time for that. Firstly I don't have any swiss friends so I'd be able to use it and secondly some swiss told me that swiss german is only for swiss.

- swiss romande are not better swiss. They're just less horrible. Swiss is swiss, sorry.


Upper points are mostly negative, but there also positives:
+ swiss know how to drive. When I'm crossing the road, most of time these guys start braking like 40m before zebra. I can rarely see crazy people on the road, but if it happens, it probably an auslander.
+ switzerland is safe. I can sleep on the street and I don't have to worry that somebody would rob me of a liver.
+switzerland has a potential to make nice savings with a compromise that you lower expenses.
+ lots of money, if you're in management, pharma or banking
+ switzerland has a trustful employment sistem. I think you don't have to worry that your employer would screw you up with not paying you or firing you just of nowhere.
+ switzerland is a great place to build your career and become more competitive on the market. Achieve this and then get the hell out.
+switzerland might be a good place socially, if you look central-european. Look attractive or look like one of them and you should be fine.

This is it for now. Will update the list.
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Oh man, it's hard to write after almost emptying a small bottle of vodka.
Amateur! Call yourself Russian! Pfft!
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Love the question: Not that my opinion would count, but it's something that I've been wondering about (in Zurich) in recent years as well - purely because my ancestry is Russian.

I'm fascinated...
Mine too, but I suspect it's the wrong type of Russian.
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Back in the day Russians were in demand in Zurich, but they don't even make the best whores anymore - the premium they demand for specialisms is just silly.

Far better to get the newer arrivals who will happily do whatever you want for just a few extra chfs.

This is well sad and wrong ...even if tongue in cheek...or wherever !
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Re: 9 months in Switzerland - a honest report.

Why dont you go back to Russia since you are such a pompous jerk
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Re: 9 months in Switzerland - a honest report.

There is an essence of truth in the OPs original post. And I've been here 28 years.
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Why dont you go back to Russia since you are such a pompous jerk

in the first two weeks being in Switzerland, I was exploring around and decided to have a drink in some nice bar at the river. While I was standing in a line to get my order, I was speaking on the phone with my coworker, in english. Then some guy approached me, while his swiss friends simply skipped me in a line like I'm not there, and he said: "The english, the english is the language of the slaves...". He gave me some creepy look and moved away.

This was the most creepy intro I've ever got when I stepped in any country. But nevertheless, guy was right. Now I do feel like a slave. I hate this place but can't get out. And you know why?Because of this:



Swisse franken.
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Re: 9 months in Switzerland - a honest report.

I have resisted posting up to now but you're making me laugh out loud. Top notch trolling. Chapeau!
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Hi guys. I'm a russian who moved to Switzerland 9 months ago. Here is my my honest opinion about Switzerland:
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This is it for now. Will update the list.
I apologize on behalf of Switzerland. (crying now*)

No seriously, I think there is no need to comment on your original post.

I observed a bit too many of what you are saying, and i'm French and in Swiss Romande. Of course I don't agree with everything, like people in that part of Switzerland are not less worse, they are quite different. Or the bit about black people, I find it rather exagerated (especially after being in the USA)


Well I can appreciate critics something which seems a foreign concept here (foreigner= bweaaa stranger danger!!) for many.

So the important point is: What are you going to do about it?

Sure, I would have bet 200CHF that someone would say "go home nasty whatever", and of course it happens. Funny I noticed here as soon as you raise fair critic, you get that type of comments and no one would ever take time to reflect on the critics.

So i'm not taking as an option you going back to motherland.

I repeat: What are you going to do about it?


I see room for improvements in your comments:

-Work: I observed the same, as soon as the idea does not come from *them* they will do everything to reject it. Until they reuse it month laters and take credit from it. It happens on regular basis here... For salary, again, you have experience now, look elsewhere. DO NOT WAIT that this gets to your nerve or you will likely have an extended bad time.

-People? After a while I got fed up of the "invaders comments" and the likes so I am polite/civil but distant, and I have lowered my expectations significantly. It's like being invited for a tea would equals that the Queen of England invite me for supper. And it seems to work for me, I'm less bothered. I also have "thicker skin" the rude comments: there are still moments, like people in the train in the next set of seats commenting out loud about something I do (like phoning or something). I just pity these persons...

-You will NEVER FEEL WELCOMED here, only tolerated. If you have anything remotely foreigner, it will always be like that, even if you get naturalized.
I'm fined with that, will you be?

etc...



Oh anyway, good luck!


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Re: 9 months in Switzerland - a honest report.

So, basically you are saying:

I hate Switzerland, I hate the Swiss

but....

I love the CHF

and are making a slave of yourself because you cannot resist the lovely money?
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So the important point is: What are you going to do about it?


I repeat: What are you going to do about it?

I will post another thread in complaints corner @ englishforum.ch
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Re: 9 months in Switzerland - a honest report.

Some people are self contained and perceptive enough that they transport their unhappiness with them wherever they go. The paradox is that they seem to think that what goes on around them will somehow be different if they go to a different piece of rock.

Heaven may be unattractive and hell the best place on earth, depending on the kind of company you are used to keeping.

Armstrong didn't say "One small step for a man... holy shit, look at all this dust!"

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My thoughts:

- How many real Swiss are there left in Zürich? It's basically made up of foreigners nowadays so making friends shouldn't be a problem.

- The Swiss have problems making new friends among the Swiss let alone with foreigners.

- You seem to take it as a personal attack against Russians. Why?

- You also seem to think you're not attractive. Here's a hint: the most beautiful women in the world quite often have non-attractive partners. Think about that.

- The money is damn good here so be at least a bit grateful. The Swiss are great in nurturing a base for international companies. Money is why you came here, isn't it? Or perhaps there is some truth in the adage "money can't buy happiness."

- A very wise Russian once told me the Swiss are always finding reasons to be unhappy or suspicious. I thought that was quite insightful. Remember that and it will help you to understand the Swiss.

- I spent a few days in St. Petersburg last spring. No offence, but the streets were full of gloomy people. Are they that dreary in their private lives? I'm not so ignorant as to think so. It's just the way they present themselves.

- Lastly, Putin shouldn't be bombing Syrian children.
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Some people are self contained and perceptive enough that they transport their unhappiness with them wherever they go. The paradox is that they seem to think that what goes on around them will somehow be different if they go to a different piece of rock.

Heaven may be unattractive and hell the best place on earth, depending on the kind of company you are used to keeping.

Armstrong didn't say "One small step for a man... holy shit, look at all this dust!"

Wherever you're at, there you are.
Ooo! I could hug you for that!


One of my OH's mates has lived in several countries, including Switzerland, and ends up being miserable everywhere he goes. "Everywhere's shit!"
The system's against him!
He's unemployable because he's "such an entrepeneur!" rather than a lazy, feckless, arrogant, misogynist.


OH says his friend will never be happy because he always takes himself with him.
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OH says his friend will never be happy because he always takes himself with him.
Although I would hessitate to characterise myself as a hopeless optimist, neither am I an unreserved pessimist.

My take on human nature is that those who look exclusively outwards are more likely to confuse deception with perception. Those who look exclusively inwards aren't free from misunderstanding either.

If one starts looking inwards, develops a "theory of me", then looks outwards and develops a "theory of them" you might be on the right track, in an almanac kind of a way.

If you can reach a point where you can hear the harmonics that are struck between your "theory of me" and your "theory of them" then you are humming the tune of life... from that point you can start to figure out the lyrics.

We may not be in control of our own destinies... but who we choose to blame for them is entirely up to us.

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Re: 9 months in Switzerland - a honest report.

Ok ok...so the tread has served its therapeutic purpose, glad to see posts of "what are we (you, me...whoever) going to do about it".

I think, personally, all these complaints we might have, locals would have amongst themselves. I do not think foreigners are a particular target, we just might get the ocassional fall out of something that is incredibly hard, for them too. Harder, they are way more closed off to eachother (different cantons, families, men and women..you name it, any difference will apply) and harder to themselves. We got it good here, we are macking. We are interesting, from abroad, a symbol of exoticism, promise of fun and unpredictability, novelty and street smarts. The coolness factor. We are excused and we are looked up to, actually..stir up some stale waters, bring new fresh air.

They do not pardon themselves, oh no. No excuse. For us, we have an excuse and I often find the treatment to be kinder than they treat one another. It is not always like that, but often is.

It is not that you have all this revealed instantly and openly, lots of this dynamics is pretty couvert. You only get it after you try to understand this rigidity and read what's under the surface and this ingrained reflex behavior. It shouldn't get you down.

I feel we might have way more mental, spiritual and personal liberty than anyone who is restricted by the norm, conventions, conformism and traditions. And the fact it comes with some uncooth rhetorics..who cares. Smile back. It takes an effort to be unpleasant. It takes no effort to be happy and fun.

You have the guts to relocate, immerse in the uknown. Do not take your expectactions with you: redefine them. <3
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You definitely master the art of being unhappy...
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