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Old 04.11.2016, 21:51
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Robbery in apartment

My neighbour was robbed a couple of days ago.Ground floor appartment. Apparently they removed the whole window frame( with glass,hinges etc) . Simply smashed it in.Hinges were broken away from their base.And our windows and frames are really heavy type with double glass and security locks.How they could do this without anyone hearing I dont know. It was at 6 pm and the place they entered from was not really hidden away. Even the person in the appartment above heard nothing.So I am really wondering how could it happen?
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Old 04.11.2016, 22:46
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Re: Robbery in apartment

Clearly it was the work of the Egyptian mafia and their patron god Osiris.

Or something.
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Re: Robbery in apartment

They probably had skill and knew the right pressure points to also avoid noise.
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Old 06.11.2016, 12:21
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Re: Robbery in apartment

Its a frame like this ( glass included) that they simply removed and left it lying on the bed of the person they robbed. They got 2000 CHF
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Old 06.11.2016, 12:31
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Re: Robbery in apartment

You really wanna know?

Go to windows manufacturer and ask in earnest how come their safe windows can be so easily removed. They will deny and vouch for their product. Wasting your time?

Next step. Ask handyman experienced in mounting such windows and he will proudly give you few tips on how easily in reality these windows can be removed ...
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Old 06.11.2016, 13:07
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Re: Robbery in apartment

Two robberies in our neighborhood, both in broad daylight. One was committed by thieves dressed as workmen, another by thieves dressed as movers, complete with moving van.

No one thinks to question folks with tools and a company name written on their overalls.
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Re: Robbery in apartment

They were probably hidden in plain sight.. Anybody who saw thought they were window repair men.

Modern locks are pretty good, so thieves move away from "picking locks" to the next weak spot.
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Re: Robbery in apartment

I was robbed a few years ago during the afternoon on a weekday. They were "kids" under 18 who apparently who knocked on my neighbor's door asking if they needed babysitting or other household help to distract them downstairs, while at the same time they broke my glass door upstairs (the place was built into a hill so the terrace was accessible from the top) and opened the door from the inside. We didn't have locking handles, but after that they were installed so we could lock them with a key. They ransacked my place and stole all my jewelry
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Re: Robbery in apartment

The windows in my newish house (and therefore those of my neighbours) are very similar looking.
Four out of the six houses were done-over a few years ago, my immediate neighbours being the fifth on the list. Fortunately I was home, and after hearing a faint dull thump coming from what I knew to be an empty house at that time of daywent outside to investigate and scared them off.
The noise I'd heard was apparently the burglars hitting the frame near window handle from the outside on what the police later referred to as 'the sweet spot'.
Removing the entire frame is more unusual but still pretty easy to do..... just watch how quickly workmen change them during renovations! Only way to prevent that would be to have rods sticking out that are imbedded into the brickwork beyond the frame itself.

If you're worried the least you should do is fit a couple of cheap motion detectors inside the flat, or invest a bit more in circuit breakers for your windows and doors.

Ground-floor flats are notoriously easy targets for this type of robbery, and from your photograph it seems the thieves were at least partially hidden by parked cars.
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Re: Robbery in apartment

Thats a stock photo not from my pace. But yes it was hidden and done at nicht. Well in future I will put the " rollo " down in the evening when out. They have alot of trouble getting through that first.
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The windows in my newish house (and therefore those of my neighbours) are very similar looking.
Four out of the six houses were done-over a few years ago, my immediate neighbours being the fifth on the list. Fortunately I was home, and after hearing a faint dull thump coming from what I knew to be an empty house at that time of daywent outside to investigate and scared them off.
The noise I'd heard was apparently the burglars hitting the frame near window handle from the outside on what the police later referred to as 'the sweet spot'.
Removing the entire frame is more unusual but still pretty easy to do..... just watch how quickly workmen change them during renovations! Only way to prevent that would be to have rods sticking out that are imbedded into the brickwork beyond the frame itself.

If you're worried the least you should do is fit a couple of cheap motion detectors inside the flat, or invest a bit more in circuit breakers for your windows and doors.

Ground-floor flats are notoriously easy targets for this type of robbery, and from your photograph it seems the thieves were at least partially hidden by parked cars.
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Old 06.11.2016, 14:12
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The windows in my newish house (and therefore those of my neighbours) are very similar looking.
Four out of the six houses were done-over a few years ago, my immediate neighbours being the fifth on the list. Fortunately I was home, and after hearing a faint dull thump coming from what I knew to be an empty house at that time of daywent outside to investigate and scared them off.
The noise I'd heard was apparently the burglars hitting the frame near window handle from the outside on what the police later referred to as 'the sweet spot'.
Removing the entire frame is more unusual but still pretty easy to do..... just watch how quickly workmen change them during renovations! Only way to prevent that would be to have rods sticking out that are imbedded into the brickwork beyond the frame itself.

If you're worried the least you should do is fit a couple of cheap motion detectors inside the flat, or invest a bit more in circuit breakers for your windows and doors.

Ground-floor flats are notoriously easy targets for this type of robbery, and from your photograph it seems the thieves were at least partially hidden by parked cars.

Briefly stated, if a window or glass door has a plastic frame, then it is pretty much a matter of 10 seconds to insert a lever into the join near the sweetspot and distort the frame enough to move the locking mechanism parts far enough to allow the door to open, or with a bit more force to just break them out of their mountings.

Put the Rollos down. Your best strategy is to make the job look like it will be too noisy, or take too long doing the deed. You can install cameras and alarms and such, but the first step is to demotivate the thief.
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Re: Robbery in apartment

After reading this thread, does anyone know of, or better, can recommend a company here that supplies external electric roller shutters for self-fitting?
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After reading this thread, does anyone know of, or better, can recommend a company here that supplies external electric roller shutters for self-fitting?
Bauhaus used to carry them, not sure if they still do. They also sold the bits to electrify some of the existing types.
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Bauhaus used to carry them, not sure if they still do. They also sold the bits to electrify some of the existing types.
Thanks. Yes, they do still sell them according to their brochure.
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Re: Robbery in apartment

Typically before the robbery is even reported the culprits have left the country.
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