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Old 15.04.2009, 11:35
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I believe the term for this is "Viscous Cycle".
Or perhaps even "Vicious Circle".

A Viscous Cycle would be one lubricated with treacle and tar instead of oil and grease.

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Old 15.04.2009, 11:37
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Or perhaps even "Vicious Circle".

A Viscous Cycle would be one lubricated with treacle and tar instead of oil and grease.

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Yes, and that too!
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Old 15.04.2009, 12:56
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My theory on meat prices is that because it is so expensive, many people buy it sparingly. The result is that a lot of it has to be thrown out because no one bought it. The result of this is that prices have to be high on the meat that does sell to make it profitable. The result of this is that many people buy it sparingly. The result is that a lot of it has to be thrown out because no one bought it. The result of this is that prices have to be high on the meat that does sell to make it profitable. The result of this is that many people buy it sparingly.The result is that a lot of it has to be thrown out because no one bought it. The result of this is that prices have to be high on the meat that does sell to make it profitable. The result of this is that many people buy it sparingly.
(p.s.; I hope nobody read this entire paragraph.)

I believe the term for this is "Viscous Cycle".
I don't think your model is accurate.

If what you say is true then it would work in reverse - people buying more so less is thrown away so price goes down so people buy more....

You can't really get economies of scale in livestock farming like you could in, for example, car production, or indeed arable farming.

Unless, of course, you adopt the massive feed lots that they have in the U.S. with thousands of cows crammed into a small area being fed on chemicals. chicken bits and anything other than grass.

Of course, you get the low prices too with this model.

Switzerland doesn't have the space for such industrial farms.

I think what people are asking for here is for cheap, industrial meat to be imported from industrial farming units and the local farmers to go out of business.

I suppose the two could, with enough discerning shoppers, co-exist side-by-side which seems to be happening in the U.K.
Quality products for those who want to pay and industrial food for those that just want it cheap and lots of it and to hell with the consequences for their health, the welfare of the animals and the environment.
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Old 17.04.2009, 12:17
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

New Aeron Chair

Total price as I just paid 82 CHF on import tax is 1165 CHF ($200 dollars was shipping)

Price from one of the Aeron suppliers here is 3117 (once they add on the VAT)

http://www.topdeq.ch/topdeq/product....rodid=pp_Aeron

So no complaints here but just makes you realise the markup in order to meet Swiss costs here!
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Old 17.04.2009, 18:59
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

I'm looking into buying a new company car and want to lease it for tax reasons, so looked at the offers of the major Swiss leasing companies. The rates they charge are simply insane - ranging from 5-7%. The current 4-year CHF Swap rate is around 1.5%, so those *******s are making a margin of 400-500bp..... I really don't understand why people are willing to pay those prices.
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Old 17.04.2009, 19:57
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I'm looking into buying a new company car and want to lease it for tax reasons, so looked at the offers of the major Swiss leasing companies. The rates they charge are simply insane - ranging from 5-7%. The current 4-year CHF Swap rate is around 1.5%, so those *******s are making a margin of 400-500bp..... I really don't understand why people are willing to pay those prices.
Shop around I am sure there are more competitive deals about, some maybe from the manufacturers themself as they need sales.
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Quality products for those who want to pay and industrial food for those that just want it cheap and lots of it and to hell with the consequences for their health, the welfare of the animals and the environment.
This is a false dichotomy. Beef in Australia, for example, is 1/3 to 1/4 the price it is in Switzerland, yet the majority of animals spend most of their lives on pasture.
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This is a false dichotomy. Beef in Australia, for example, is 1/3 to 1/4 the price it is in Switzerland, yet the majority of animals spend most of their lives on pasture.
I wouldn't even respond to that, it was obviously just a silly post from someone who wasn't really sure what they were talking about. Price does not equate to an animal is treated when it goes above a certain level (ie: beyond what is reasonable and sensible). Swiss prices are high because that's the way they keep them artifically, and it doesn't give the meat any magical properties.
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Old 17.04.2009, 23:31
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Shop around I am sure there are more competitive deals about, some maybe from the manufacturers themself as they need sales.
yes, but then you get screwed on the list price by the importers - I was looking for a direct import (a brand-new Audi A6 is 30% below Swiss prices if you buy from www.globalcartrading.ch).
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yes, but then you get screwed on the list price by the importers - I was looking for a direct import (a brand-new Audi A6 is 30% below Swiss prices if you buy from www.globalcartrading.ch).
+ 4% customs duties + 7.6% VAT
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Old 18.04.2009, 10:21
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yes, but then you get screwed on the list price by the importers - I was looking for a direct import (a brand-new Audi A6 is 30% below Swiss prices if you buy from www.globalcartrading.ch).
Sorry I am being a bit slow on this one, do you mean the importers inflate the list price before discounting?

If www.globalcartrading.ch is 30% cheaper why not buy from them as that is a huge saving?

On their website it looks like they are offering a 9% discount on the list price of an Audi S6, or am I reading this all wrong?

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Old 18.04.2009, 10:29
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all swiss learn that it's best for the local economy if 1.) Export lots 2.) Import little - hence buy local 3.) Attract lots of foreign savings so local interest rates can be kept low.
Didn't Adam Smith debunk this kind of Merchantilism a couple hundred years ago?
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Old 18.04.2009, 10:47
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Well, after reading all these posts about prices of various items in Switzerland maybe I should forget about 'packing light' when I move over next year and stuff as much as I can into the suitcase! Suitcases plural? And maybe send parcels over beforehand. And on my visit in October this year, pack more.......

Ah, I'm sure it will all be worth it.

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Old 18.04.2009, 10:52
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That's because people because are comparing the quality of produce they get in supermarkets in Australia (Coles, Woolies, etc - though we used to get ours at Harris' Markets in Broadway), to the produce in Coop, Migros, etc.

Eg: If I buy a prepacked bag of carrots in Coop, it's pretty much a given that a few of them will already be moldy and limp, and that even the best of them will only be suitable for cooking within a day or two ("Bio" stuff is even worse). Back home (especially in major cities like Sydney or Brisbane), any supermarket trying shennanigans like that would be out of business in a matter of weeks.

This is before even getting into the frustratingly inconsistent supply. Eg: sometimes they have fresh corn, sometimes they don't, often you never even know whether that particular places sells what you're after and happens to be out of shelf stock, or doesn't sell it at all.
I think you're better off in Sydney, Brisbane etc.....I am fed up with the quality of our fruit and veg in Perth! And there really shouldn't be any excuse as we grow everything in this country! Must pay attention then when I get to Switzerland next year and avoid mushy stuff and bendy things!

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Old 18.04.2009, 10:59
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Oh, found one more crazily overpriced item: 4 passphoto-pictures for CHF59 at Foto Ganz in Zurich! In any other country these cost about €15.
Goodness, for about A$12 (maybe CHF6 these days) I'd better get 4 passport photos done in Oz before I leave!! And I'm sure there is a website where you can upload and get your own photo printed for passports or the like, at no cost! Must try to remember the site.....

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Old 18.04.2009, 11:01
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+ 4% customs duties + 7.6% VAT
no - that's included. They have a brand new A6 which I looked at in their shop. It's 30% below list price on the road with a Swiss number plate.
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Old 18.04.2009, 11:11
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You see THAT is just an elaborate ploy to keep the women at home rather than at work, just like the no washing on Sunday rule... Having them make fancy stuff themselves keeps 'em in the kitchen.
They don't still do the no washing on Sunday thing do they?! Or is that mostly in the countryside? Working people don't have time to squish everything into one weekend day!! I thought this would have changed a long time ago.

Mind you, I HAVE made hot cross buns myself and they were yummy! Not too hard either, even with the yeast business.

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Old 18.04.2009, 11:38
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Well, after reading all these posts about prices of various items in Switzerland maybe I should forget about 'packing light' when I move over next year and stuff as much as I can into the suitcase! Suitcases plural? And maybe send parcels over beforehand. And on my visit in October this year, pack more.......

Ah, I'm sure it will all be worth it.

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Actually, you get a one-time chance to import all of your goods without VAT when you move. So the choice would be which is more: the freight on the goods you move with you, or the VAT to import it at another time.
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Old 18.04.2009, 11:50
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Actually, you get a one-time chance to import all of your goods without VAT when you move. So the choice would be which is more: the freight on the goods you move with you, or the VAT to import it at another time.
Actually, you can split the import as long as the entire list appears on the import form and a copy of the import form accompanies each shipment.

All goods, including vehicles, must have been owned for more then 6 months prior to the individuals entry date.
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Goodness, for about A$12 (maybe CHF6 these days) I'd better get 4 passport photos done in Oz before I leave!! And I'm sure there is a website where you can upload and get your own photo printed for passports or the like, at no cost! Must try to remember the site.....

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Get 8-12 done before you leave and bring them over. Once you start getting permits, halbtax cards, licenses, etc, you'll be surprised how quickly you burn through them.
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