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Old 18.04.2009, 12:22
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Get 8-12 done before you leave and bring them over. Once you start getting permits, halbtax cards, licenses, etc, you'll be surprised how quickly you burn through them.

Get them in passport-photo size as well as several in a smaller size. I had to get my photos redone for an application for a driver's licence because the size wasn't right.

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Old 20.04.2009, 19:08
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Get them in passport-photo size as well as several in a smaller size. I had to get my photos redone for an application for a driver's licence because the size wasn't right.
Appreciate this info argus, and drsmithy as well. And the website I mentioned in my previous post if anyone wants to investigate is: http://epassportphoto.com/

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Old 24.09.2009, 11:04
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

its in german, but....

http://www.20min.ch/news/schweiz/sto...ringt-29496384
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Old 24.09.2009, 11:25
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hmm...let's see if some competion and more loose rules will do for us all....
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Old 24.09.2009, 14:46
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

but for those who dont understand: you see here the tooth paste ELMEX that Denner wanted to lower the price for in CH. as the manufacturer (in germany based?) wants to keep the profit coming from here while selling it directly to Denner, they (Denner) set an order e.g. in Austria the way that an austrian discounter sets an order about 100.000 pieces, keeps 80.000 and sells 20.000 units to Denner. the retailer in Austria refused to Denner as they got stressed by ELMEX that there will be some punishment if they do so.

moral of the story: its not COOP or MIGROS fault alone that we think we have absurd prices here...
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Old 16.10.2009, 21:58
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"If you live here and benefit from a higher salary compared to the US or the EU, then you should consume also locally, because the local shops and workers also need to earn a good salary for a good living, buying from outside undermines the local economy and indirectly also yours."
Of course you should not expect liberals to agree with you. Free enterprise and competition is what good economies like the Swiss one should encourage. That translates into highly porous import/export borders.

The Swiss economy is strong for very different reasons. It is an economy based on intellect, creativity and a sensible population.

I am on the other side of the road I must say. I would like the Swiss to go one step further and scrap the existing subsidized schemes that benefit millionaire farmers that take money from my taxes.
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

http://www.landwirtschaft.ch/de/aktu...t-gescheitert/

this is the famous Casis de Dijon case

according to this, Farmers failed to gather 50 000 signatures (against the case) by 30 September actually, they didn't, but it was pretty much only 50 000 and some of the signatures were not confirmed, so they came short by 500 signatures in the end... a pity, isn't it?

it's very good news for consumers. Now i would agree that Switzerland should start working on creating the same deal the other way around - so the Swiss products could be easly sold on EU market.

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Old 17.10.2009, 14:00
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I would like the Swiss to go one step further and scrap the existing subsidized schemes that benefit millionaire farmers that take money from my taxes.

With the average farm size in Switzerland around 16 hectares (a little under 50 acres) there aren't many farmer millionaires. The last break even analysis I carried out, albeit in Wales but with similar subsidies available at that time as those currently in Switzerland and with an additional advantage of a legislated fixed milk price, suggested that a minimum dairy farm size of just over 80 hectares with an average (medium intensive) stocking density was required to break even.

Another interesting point is that of Welsh lamb - the best lamb in the world bar none. In the days of the commonwealth (this still has a Swiss point to be made so bear with me) cheap (NZ gov't subsidised) imports of New Zealand lamb (which was, by the way, utter crap) almost destroyed the Welsh lamb market. The EU put a stop to that by restricting such imports. Now, Welsh lamb is readily available but seems a tad expensive - but you get what you pay for. I bought 6 wonderful lamb chops a couple of weeks ago for a tenner.

In contrast Lamb in Switzerland is phenomenally expensive and, as it has no fat whatsoever, is bloody awful. IMO, if the Swiss wish to restrict agricultural imports then they should produce quality products that people are willing to pay for.
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Old 17.10.2009, 14:21
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With the average farm size in Switzerland around 16 hectares (a little under 50 acres) there aren't many farmer millionaires. The last break even analysis I carried out, albeit in Wales but with similar subsidies available at that time as those currently in Switzerland and with an additional advantage of a legislated fixed milk price, suggested that a minimum dairy farm size of just over 80 hectares with an average (medium intensive) stocking density was required to break even.
Thats exactly the point: If you can't be profitable, sell, merge, go niche or do something... but don't come and ask me to pay the bill.
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In contrast Lamb in Switzerland is phenomenally expensive and, as it has no fat whatsoever, is bloody awful. IMO, if the Swiss wish to restrict agricultural imports then they should produce quality products that people are willing to pay for.
Most lamb and beef you get in Switzerland is NOT produced in Switzerland. Lamb is imported from New Zealand, beef from Poland. The reason why lamb is expensive is not the transport but the small amount really imported / consumed. Lamb is primarily in demand by the Turkish, Arab, and Greek immigrants, but not really by the "natives"


and "THE" Swiss do not want to restrict agricultural imports". That you apparently regard the Bauernverband as representing Switzerland instead of realising that Migros and Coop are far closer to representing the people. At the other hand, nobody wants to ruin the farmers, nobody wants the farms being given up. It is a dilemma.

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Old 17.10.2009, 15:33
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Thats exactly the point: If you can't be profitable, sell, merge, go niche or do something... but don't come and ask me to pay the bill.
sell ? yes, this is what a big share of them in the past few decades have done

merge ? yes, co-operatives for many aspects have been established

go niche ? many of them tried/try to do so

ask the population to pay the bill is what many still do. Some of the candidates for Bundesrat even were from the farmers lobby, but were turned down. This is why I was relieved when Mr Burkhalter became elected. Not because I much like the man but because he is not a farmer lobbyist

Another aspect to be seen is that less than 10% of the population are farmers (my guess is between 5% and 7%)
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Old 17.10.2009, 16:55
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and "THE" Swiss do not want to restrict agricultural imports". That you apparently regard the Bauernverband as representing Switzerland instead of realising that Migros and Coop are far closer to representing the people.
Of course by "the Swiss" I referred to the elected government. Supermarkets are motivated by profit - nothing else. Maybe Migros was different in the past but not any more.
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Old 17.10.2009, 17:01
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Thats exactly the point: If you can't be profitable, sell, merge, go niche or do something... but don't come and ask me to pay the bill.
No country leaves it's agricultural economy to itself. The taxpayer will always foot some sort of bill while the consumer refuses to pay for the actual value of the produce. This might be in the form of subsidies or trade restrictions but the bill is picked up somewhere.
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Old 18.10.2009, 10:56
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Of course by "the Swiss" I referred to the elected government. Supermarkets are motivated by profit - nothing else. Maybe Migros was different in the past but not any more.
The elected government does not want to restrict agricultural imports, far from it, but have to do so, under pressure from A) realities and B) the Agro lobby. The Federal Government in reality over that past two decades has heavily REDUCED restrictions on agricultural imports, for a variety of reasons like pressures from inside and outside the country, the danger to get agro-exports restricted in retaliation, etc.

That supermarkets are motivated by profits is clear, nevertheless, Migros and Coop have the majority of people behind them, while the Bauernverband only has a minority behind them. And to be just to them, quite many of that Verband are realists.

Interesting is that easier agricultural imports have lead many agro-enterprises to change things and reduce costs. So that now, on the agricultural side, not only cheese is exported but also wines .
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Old 19.10.2009, 20:10
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No country leaves it's agricultural economy to itself.
Yes, a lot of them do, maybe not the ones you know. Most of the largest countries of the world (by population I mean), leave agriculture to stand on its own feet.
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Yes, a lot of them do, maybe not the ones you know. Most of the largest countries of the world (by population I mean), leave agriculture to stand on its own feet.
Are you sure you are talking about an agricultural economy and not subsistence? If you are sure, please name one that doesn't have tarrifs, duties, or subsidies.
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It is certainly an unusual country that lets its cows luxuriate in beautiful meadowlands whilst confining its human populace to postage stamp amounts of square meterage in cloned clinical apartment blocks.
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Are you sure you are talking about an agricultural economy and not subsistence? If you are sure, please name one that doesn't have tarrifs, duties, or subsidies.
Yes, most of them have some kind of import duties, thats true (tariffs and subsidies are not so common though). But subsidies to make the farmland "look nice"? C'mmon! That's a joke... that could be translated into government saying: "Since I need your conservative vote, I need to throw taxpayer's money at you, but I need an excuse, so lets say it's for your hardwork in making your field foliage look nice".

To be fair, its not only a Swiss issue, it also happens accross the EU. I just hope that Swiss at some point will also get intelligent on treating this issue.
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Old 20.10.2009, 09:46
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It is certainly an unusual country that lets its cows luxuriate in beautiful meadowlands whilst confining its human populace to postage stamp amounts of square meterage in cloned clinical apartment blocks.

whats your conclusion then? a) no cows b) put them into apmt blocks and the human populace on beautiful meadowlands?
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whats your conclusion then? a) no cows b) put them into apmt blocks and the human populace on beautiful meadowlands?
c) reduce the cow population (they make them in other countries too) and, in order to prevent the farmers revolting, subsidise the farmers (with the money saved from subsidising cows) to turn a huge cow field or two into a public park. Then, instead of the local population being forced to take their Sunday walk around the electrified perimeter of a field full of cowpats they could enjoy some trees, gardens and water features.
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