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Old 13.04.2010, 22:31
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See at the customs tariff here

...... Gegenstände nach Art. 55 Abs. 1 MWSTG (siehe "Bemerkungen", "MWST")........................................... ....................................

which shows that the customs rate is ZERO. The VAT is 7,6%, but on export from Germany you can get the reimbursement of the German VAT of 19%, so that you even save more than 10%. When making sizeable purchases in Germany, always get full documentation and find out about the reimbursement. Most German businessmen will support you as they make lots of business thanks to this.

The only point is the transport, as trucking in Germany and Switzerland is upto 50% more expensive than let's say in France, Italy or the U.K. . For trucking imports from Germany (frequent example the city of Kassel) we here use Schenker DB whose trucking rates at present are some 30% below the competition (Lamprecht, Agility, MAT, EXTRA (for imports ex U.K. consult EXTRA, for imports ex France Agility).
I have been in a number of German furniture stores who deliver in Switzerland for free - they handle all the customs & border stuff - effectively the trucking cost is covered by the MWST (VAT) 10% saving, delivery usually includes installation
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Old 14.04.2010, 01:15
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I have been in a number of German furniture stores who deliver in Switzerland for free - they handle all the customs & border stuff - effectively the trucking cost is covered by the MWST (VAT) 10% saving, delivery usually includes installation
Sure, many will do, but even if not is it not a real problem, as long as the VAT is recovered.

One peculiar aspect however is to be mentioned. If you for example are to buy a TV and a TV furniture from Mediamarkt, buy the apparatus in Switzerland (where TVs, radios, etc are cheaper than in Germany) but the furniture in Germany. The same in case of office things, where stationary in Switzerland generally is cheaper than in Germany, but furniture like equipment cheaper in Germany.
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

I accept as normal when prices are 10 to 20 % higher in Switzerland than in Germany but if the difference is 40 % or more I object. Once I queried this enormous price difference in a Sunstore pharmacy. The assistant told me that they had been told in a seminar organized by or for Sunstore that the prices they charged were those that the Swiss could afford.

And I had naively assumed that prices were based on the actual value of the product ...........
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I accept as normal when prices are 10 to 20 % higher in Switzerland than in Germany but if the difference is 40 % or more I object. Once I queried this enormous price difference in a Sunstore pharmacy. The assistant told me that they had been told in a seminar organized by or for Sunstore that the prices they charged were those that the Swiss could afford.

And I had naively assumed that prices were based on the actual value of the product ...........

The "information" is wrong, and those who gave it ought to be tarred and feathered. Most Swiss (85% of the people live in towns of more than 10'000 inhabitants) have so high costs to bear that in net-terms, Germans in conurbations like Munich or Cologne have a higher NET living standards than people in Zurich, Basel and Geneva. Prices of goods however reflect various aspects, among them the high real estate costs. The argument given to you by Sunstore shows that Swiss customers of them simply get CHEATED
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Old 14.04.2010, 03:33
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Ya know I used to think Switzerland was over the top for most things price-wise. However I have been back in Australia for a few months now (sadly) and I have found on the whole most things are more expensive here.

Apart from meat which is much cheaper here, with a greater variety, the fruit and veg and groceries are in general similar or more expensive here.

Gardening tools etc are also more expensive here, sure you can get cheap, crappy chinese stuff, but for quality tools they are more expensive than in Switzerland.

Ok, furniture is better here, I can buy pinewood inexpenive furniture, cupboards and pantries for a few hundred dollars and they are not chipboard.

But overall I am surprised at how much more expensive stuff is here. Clothing seems to be on a par with the Swiss, for inexpensive kids clothes. But alcohol, refills for my nespresso machine, chocolate etc is more. My fave German beers are out of this world, instead of 80euro cents I have paid Au $ 8. (There is far too much tax on alcohol, because that will stop everyone drinking, right?)

So don't think that Switzerland has the monopoly on high prices.

Stepping off the soapbox now.
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Old 14.04.2010, 07:31
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Re: The price of consumables such as light bulbs

Another vote for importing items which are rip-offs. I either make a border run for France or Germany, or order online from abroad and have it delivered. Even with the delivery charges, it usually works out cheaper than buying locally.
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Old 14.04.2010, 08:04
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Re: The price of consumables such as light bulbs

Odd that no one ever complains about their salary here, or their tax bill.

Oh, and seems to forget the current exchange rates against the franc...
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Old 14.04.2010, 08:18
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Odd that no one ever complains about their salary here, or their tax bill.

Oh, and seems to forget the current exchange rates against the franc...
If I wanted to complain about my salary here I would not do so in a thread about the price of lightbulbs.

Salary, taxes and franc strength have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with blatant profiteering by the small gang of big retailers here. If I did earn a salary it certainly would not be 3 times what I could earn in the UK or 4 times what I could earn in the US. Taxes do not enter into it, and the recently overdone franc strength do not nearly begin to cover the discrepancy.
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Old 14.04.2010, 08:53
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If I wanted to complain about my salary here I would not do so in a thread about the price of lightbulbs.

Salary, taxes and franc strength have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with blatant profiteering by the small gang of big retailers here. If I did earn a salary it certainly would not be 3 times what I could earn in the UK or 4 times what I could earn in the US. Taxes do not enter into it, and the recently overdone franc strength do not nearly begin to cover the discrepancy.
Complaining about any Swiss prices in isolation is pointless. For example I'll bet you can buy these bulbs cheaper still in India.

That said, Swiss retail (and other) cartels are a pain and are, albeit slowly, being broken. Roll on Aldi and Lidl...
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Complaining about any Swiss prices in isolation is pointless.
Agreed. But when you delve deeper and look at actual disposable income per capita on a purchasing power parity adjusted basis Switzerland is not as rich as it might appear - yes taxes are low but property prices, health insurance and many other items soon eat into actual income.

Take a look at micro-communities which have higher per capita disposable incomes than Switzerland e.g. Beverly Hills, Upper East Side Manhattan, Mayfair in London etc. and you will find that you can visit a convenience store in one of the communities and purchase a Philips light bulb for a fraction of the price in the Coop in a 'poorer' Swiss town.
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yes prices are crazy. i order quite a few things from ebay. apart from the prices, i don't have to contend with shop opening times and things get delivered to my door.
Word. Smart shoppers shop online for almost everything that can be bought in such fashion.
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Keep your eyes open and you will see that the price of a product anywhere has nothing to do with the quality or the materials, it is simply the price of what the customers can be squeezed for.

Why is the price of WMF cutlery so high? It is simply a set of polished pieces of metal. Because it is well presented as a beautiful solid German product the price is high. But then many people find the cutlery from Ikea is acceptable but not so good, because it is cheaper!

I find most Swiss people do not see the difference between price and quality. They think higher prices mean the quality must be higher, and when challenged will come up with lots of reasons to support the higher prices. This seems to be a very snobbish behaviour to me.
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Old 14.04.2010, 09:59
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Ya know I used to think Switzerland was over the top for most things price-wise. However I have been back in Australia for a few months now (sadly) and I have found on the whole most things are more expensive here.

Apart from meat which is much cheaper here, with a greater variety, the fruit and veg and groceries are in general similar or more expensive here.

Gardening tools etc are also more expensive here, sure you can get cheap, crappy chinese stuff, but for quality tools they are more expensive than in Switzerland.

Ok, furniture is better here, I can buy pinewood inexpenive furniture, cupboards and pantries for a few hundred dollars and they are not chipboard.

But overall I am surprised at how much more expensive stuff is here. Clothing seems to be on a par with the Swiss, for inexpensive kids clothes. But alcohol, refills for my nespresso machine, chocolate etc is more. My fave German beers are out of this world, instead of 80euro cents I have paid Au $ 8. (There is far too much tax on alcohol, because that will stop everyone drinking, right?)

So don't think that Switzerland has the monopoly on high prices.

Stepping off the soapbox now.
You forgot to mention Australian salaries and income tax ...
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Oh, and by the way Switzerland, 16 ibuprofen tabs are still just 28p in the UK...
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Oh, and by the way Switzerland, 16 ibuprofen tabs (200mg) are now just 28p in the UK.

We've got your number.
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Keep your eyes open and you will see that the price of a product anywhere has nothing to do with the quality or the materials, it is simply the price of what the customers can be squeezed for.
Welcome to the world of marketing!
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Welcome to the world of marketing!
Not to mention protectionist trade policies (granted these have gotten better over recent years) & primitive consumer rights conspiring to favour a few big corporates/cooperatives.
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Word. Smart shoppers shop online for almost everything that can be bought in such fashion.
or go to Germany.
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or go to Germany.
Do they sell brown sugar in Germany?
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Re: The price of consumables such as light bulbs

All you north westerners don't know anything about cheap retailing..

In Peru, if you need a needle, you can go to the corner shop and buy one needle. it would cost you some cents.

Here and in the whole Europe and in the whole western world you simply can't

You have to buy a pack and the price would be something around CHF 5.-

A needle is an exageration, but this also rules for any small item.

You pay lots of money for packaging and handling but the real value of the product is very low.
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