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Old 15.04.2010, 11:05
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Re: The price of consumables such as light bulbs

I wouldn't mind if these were small, independent shops such as you get in many other countries. For example, if it was a small lighting shop and they had their overheads and low sales to compensate for; but in return you got friendly, good service.

In this case, Migros and Coop are not small, friendly, helpful stores. They're not bad, but they're large-ish monolopy supermarkets. It would be like (UK analogy) we only had Tesco and Sainsbury metros everywhere and any other supermarket couldn't start up.

I've not counted or researched, but in Basel - a small town with a population under 180,000 we appear to have very many Coop and Migros stores. They own real estate everywhere, so there's no room for another chain to operate, or for independent stores to start up.

In other words, it appears that we have all the negatives of the "small, family store" model with no advantages, and all the negatives of "big, corporate duopoly" with no advantages.

Luckily, from personal experience, I've found the service at Migros and Coop to be good. However, for the original purpose of this thread, I'd buy lightbulbs from Jumbo assuming you have one you can get to easily.
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Old 15.04.2010, 13:25
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The price of removalists...

I cannot believe the cost of getting removals here....

I just got quoted 330chf an hour for 3 removalists, 40m2 of goods - with an estimated 'whole day' charge, and they charge at that rate for the drive from the depot and return, which I estimated as up to 90 minutes travelling time!

Compare that to Australia, where we moved a similar distance, and got charged $130 an hour for four removalists, and they did the total removal in 3.5 hours of a 5 bedroom house with a massive amount of stuff...

I know the convenience is worth it, and I swore we would never self-move ever again, but there's got to be a cheaper way to do this!

I cannot believe that it will take them all day to do the removal, but there's no incentive for them to do it faster, is there ???
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Old 15.04.2010, 13:27
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Re: The price of removalists...

I am pretty sure there are cheaper places, sorry cant help though, have you tried Fetag? But I think they are in Basel only???
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Old 15.04.2010, 13:33
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Re: The price of removalists...

I've sent out to 6 removal companies located around Zurich. I know the prices will be cheaper with companies who are not located right in the CBD.

I'll let everyone know what I come up with
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Old 15.04.2010, 13:57
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Re: The price of removalists...

why dont you post at the MIGROS/COOP board?
why dont you use the EF search function?-> man with a van
why dont you post that as a job in the EF "job offer" section?
why dont you post in on RONORP?

there are many peeps for whom no job is too little or students that would like to earn some extra. forget google and yellow pages etc. get a bit more creative! i have paid 50CHF/hour for 1 man incl. the van to help me move...
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Old 15.04.2010, 14:12
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Re: The price of removalists...

Thanks !

I have found 'gregory' in the 'man with the van' thread and set up an appointment for Tuesday.

I am a bit apprehensive about getting a non-professional to do it because we are a family of 5 and it's a big job for someone who is not an experienced removalist.

YAY! One step closer...
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Old 15.04.2010, 14:14
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Re: The price of removalists...

Why don't you organize it as an EF event...with free beer and a BBQ at the end (in exchange to our assistance)....I'm sure people will join. After all, we're all in the same boat.
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Old 15.04.2010, 14:19
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Re: The price of removalists...

I did have that thought...but I need a driver...anyone good at driving ???

Our new apartment will be upstairs from the Thai restaurant in Adliswil. Is that enough incentive ???
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Old 15.04.2010, 14:23
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I did have that thought...but I need a driver...anyone good at driving ???

Our new apartment will be upstairs from the Thai restaurant in Adliswil. Is that enough incentive ???
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Old 15.04.2010, 14:34
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I did have that thought...but I need a driver...anyone good at driving ???

Our new apartment will be upstairs from the Thai restaurant in Adliswil. Is that enough incentive ???
seriously, it ain't a thing to get some people to help you out there. Unfortunately, I don't drive anymore...but if you need help lifting stuff and carrying around...I am willing to help you out.
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

when is your move? i can drive...
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Stay tuned...I'll get back to everyone and plan a moving party as soon as I can....
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3.90 each for small 25W, E14 size lightbulbs (not even long life ones)
I paid for two of those 25 W, E14 lightbulbs, that the EU in their wisdom have decided to ban, Fr 2.50 in the Migros today. Some of the smaller Migros supermarkets don't even store them any more.

What bulbs are we going to put into our bedside lamps since it is recommended to keep a minimum distance of 30 cm when using 'energy saving' bulbs ? - I personally would prefer 'health saving' bulbs.
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Lack of competition in Switzerland

In Swiss pharmacies you pay in general not only higher prices than elsewhere but also very often two different kind of taxes at least when you buy products that are available ‘on ordonnace’ only.

In Switzerland, the banks pay ‘boni’ to their managers to fidelize them.

In Germany, pharmacies pay 'boni' to their customers to fidelize them by offering discounts or other advantages on their purchases. In this particular pharmacy:

http://www.fr-online.de/top_news/254...ken-Bonus.html

customers get ‘Talers’ which they exchange against presents when they have a certain amount of them. If they hand in loads and loads of prescriptions they might even be entitled to a mini-cruise. The question is though whether they will be able to enjoy their mini-cruise when they are that sick that they have to hand in so many prescriptions.

In another pharmacy you get € 5.00 for each prescription you hand in.

The authorities will now try to stop this practice at least as far as medicines on prescription are concerned.

You may say that Sunstore offers a 10 % discount every tenth of the month on non-‘ordonnance products; yes and another 10 % on the remainder of your bill if you have bought their Suncard. But I have frequently noticed that the products I am interested in are cheaper elsewhere, so the discount is not as much as they pretend.

Why don’t Swiss pharmacies have to make greater efforts ? Very simple - because there is no competition, just as there is no real competition in the retail market because it is firmly in the hands of Migros and Coop.
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In Swiss pharmacies you pay in general not only higher prices than elsewhere but also very often two different kind of taxes at least when you buy products that are available ‘on ordonnace’ only.

In Switzerland, the banks pay ‘boni’ to their managers to fidelize them.

In Germany, pharmacies pay 'boni' to their customers to fidelize them by offering discounts or other advantages on their purchases. In this particular pharmacy:

http://www.fr-online.de/top_news/254...ken-Bonus.html

customers get ‘Talers’ which they exchange against presents when they have a certain amount of them. If they hand in loads and loads of prescriptions they might even be entitled to a mini-cruise. The question is though whether they will be able to enjoy their mini-cruise when they are that sick that they have to hand in so many prescriptions.

In another pharmacy you get € 5.00 for each prescription you hand in.

The authorities will now try to stop this practice at least as far as medicines on prescription are concerned.

You may say that Sunstore offers a 10 % discount every tenth of the month on non-‘ordonnance products; yes and another 10 % on the remainder of your bill if you have bought their Suncard. But I have frequently noticed that the products I am interested in are cheaper elsewhere, so the discount is not as much as they pretend.

Why don’t Swiss pharmacies have to make greater efforts ? Very simple - because there is no competition, just as there is no real competition in the retail market because it is firmly in the hands of Migros and Coop.
...you forgot to mention the phone service as well. Sunrise? Swisscom?
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Old 15.04.2010, 23:06
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

has anyone mentioned the new Macbook pros going for CHF 2300 and only 1800 USD back home?
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Old 15.04.2010, 23:23
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I cannot believe the cost of getting removals here....

I just got quoted 330chf an hour for 3 removalists, 40m2 of goods - with an estimated 'whole day' charge, and they charge at that rate for the drive from the depot and return, which I estimated as up to 90 minutes travelling time!

Compare that to Australia, where we moved a similar distance, and got charged $130 an hour for four removalists, and they did the total removal in 3.5 hours of a 5 bedroom house with a massive amount of stuff...
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I get paid CHF95/hour for teaching English to adults here in Switzerland.

What do teachers of English as a foreign language get paid in Oz? In the UK my niece gets paid £18/hour. That's CHF29.90 an hour - or less than a third of what I get.

So, I suggest that comparing to cost of removals in Switzerland and Australia side by side in isolation is nonsense...
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...you forgot to mention the phone service as well. Sunrise? Swisscom?
No, I didn't forget them but I haven’t made a study of them.

But your mention of Swisscom makes me think of TV programs in original languages, more particular in English. In fairness to Switzerland I have to admit that here, even if you don’t have Astra 2 D and even without a subscription to Bluewin TV, you can watch English programs on your own TV, e.g. BBC and ITV on Zattoo. There doesn’t seem to be anything like this in Germany. Since I may be moving to Germany I have enquired but I would probably only have cable TV and the option for programs in English is very poor.

So there are pros and cons wherever you are.
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Books. I have here The Other, David Guterson. Great (that's not true, its a good book) but 17.90 CHF or, if you look at the GBP price 5.99! Available postage paid from the book depository (good prices, but slow service) for €7.43
Try www.amazon.de. You would have got it there for € 7.99 minus the German VAT. No postage to be paid by customers from Switzerland.

http://www.amazon.de/gp/search/ref=s...oks-Submit.y=5
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I just paid CHF 9.15 for a paltry (sorry) couple of chicken breasts at Spar
The other day I was looking for some BIO chicken in Migros (since I don't eat much meat I try to buy quality when I do). You know that they have all these confusing labels. Ok, Budget I understand although many Budget articles are of the same quality as the more expansive house brands. The only difference is the design of the packaging. Of course, they don’t advertise that but Swiss consumer magazines found out:

http://www.saldo.ch/themen/beitrag/1...ndentaeuschung

Anyway, the only Bio chicken I found were some filets at Fr. 60.00 a kilo. I like quality but not at that price. And you know why they were so expensive - because they had the word ‘Selection’ printed on the package, which is another of their labels. As far as I can see the main if not only difference between 'Selection' and non-Selection products is the fancier packaging of the former. - Migros really must think that customers are fools.
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