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Old 22.01.2012, 23:21
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Let me chime in with a positive experience: went with SWMBO to shop for some clothes, she found a really nice jacket on sale at 130chf from 2XXchf, plus a blouse on sale at 20chf from 40chf. At the counter though, instead of paying 150chf the nice lady told us there was some further sale and got the both for 98chf!

Coming from a country where every single sale is preceded by a doubling of all prices, this was quite a pleasant experience
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Well then I would advise you to not compare the puzzle prices to those UK or the States. My wife and I had trouble buying puzzles or games of any kind whilst we lived in Switzerland.
Why ? Puzzles and games are available in quite many shops, and not all places are as expensive as Franz Carl Weber.

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I totally agree with some of you, but still I was surprised that the prices for photo equipment are not that high.
Photo equipment and stationary usually are less expensive in CH than in Germany. This is only partially so since the CHF became and still is absurdly overvalued, but will become so again before long. One reason are the good trade deals Switzerland has with some East Asian countries, and as not being in the E.U., CH does not have to place barriers against imports from those countries. A salesman of Mediamarkt Donaueschingen told me that when buying a TV-set, I should purchase the TV in Zürich but the furniture to place it on in his store overthere.

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Someone told me, a year ago, that a regular McDonald worker (entry-level, non-management) earns 21 ChF an hour, plus full benefits in Switzerland (or at least in Vaud). Does anyone know if this is a correct figure?
21 per hour x 8,5 per day = CHF 178,5 per day x 5 = 892,5 per week
x 4,5 = CHF 4016.25 per month. This sounds real average. With a chance to improve to around 5000 or 5500 within a few years. Which means some 50'000 to 60'000 per year which is quite normal.

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A passing observation - we have just built a house here and are busy searching for nice furniture to fill it with...no more flat pack thanks.

Anyway - prices for say, a solid wooden double bed here, vs the UK, are just ridiculous. To the extent that we are most likely going to order all our furniture in the UK (or delivered there) until we have amassed a truckload, then ship it over. Luckily I have somewhere I can accumulate stuff!

Even with transport costs (and potentially duty/TVA) the savings are looking to be significant.

Even furniture on sale here, and therefore approaching reasonable by Swiss standards, is often double or triple the cost of equivalent item.

It's beyond me...
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A passing observation - we have just built a house here and are busy searching for nice furniture to fill it with...no more flat pack thanks.

Anyway - prices for say, a solid wooden double bed here, vs the UK, are just ridiculous. To the extent that we are most likely going to order all our furniture in the UK (or delivered there) until we have amassed a truckload, then ship it over. Luckily I have somewhere I can accumulate stuff!

Even with transport costs (and potentially duty/TVA) the savings are looking to be significant.

Even furniture on sale here, and therefore approaching reasonable by Swiss standards, is often double or triple the cost of equivalent item.

It's beyond me...
Some would say that if you can afford to build a house in the Montreux area, you could also afford to pay local furniture prices, but I am not going to say that. No, I am going to suggest that you look on Ricardo.ch and do your shopping there. The most amazingly inexpensive prices for good quality everything [mostly]. Happy hunting
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If you are in ZH you can get your boxes shipped here https://www.deutsche-lieferadresse.c...age/dropzonemg and they will hold them for you, we have used them many times and it really is excellent.

We use this company to ship from the UK http://www.parcelsplease.co.uk/ who are also really good and very cheap.
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Some would say that if you can afford to build a house in the Montreux area, you could also afford to pay local furniture prices, but I am not going to say that. No, I am going to suggest that you look on Ricardo.ch and do your shopping there. The most amazingly inexpensive prices for good quality everything [mostly]. Happy hunting
Well, you did say that...and your logic is faulty.

Even if I could afford to, why would I want to? If I can pay less and get better quality that makes sense doesn't it?

I do a lot of my shopping online, but there are some things you need to see, touch and in the case of beds/mattresses, lie down on.
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If you are in ZH you can get your boxes shipped here https://www.deutsche-lieferadresse.c...age/dropzonemg and they will hold them for you, we have used them many times and it really is excellent.

We use this company to ship from the UK http://www.parcelsplease.co.uk/ who are also really good and very cheap.
Thanks I'll check them out!
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Some would say that if you can afford to build a house in the Montreux area, you could also afford to pay local furniture prices, but I am not going to say that. No, I am going to suggest that you look on Ricardo.ch and do your shopping there. The most amazingly inexpensive prices for good quality everything [mostly]. Happy hunting
Didn't mean to sound churlish, thanks for the suggestion of looking on Ricardo. I hadn't thought about it for furniture actually.
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A passing observation - we have just built a house here and are busy searching for nice furniture to fill it with...no more flat pack thanks.

Anyway - prices for say, a solid wooden double bed here, vs the UK, are just ridiculous. To the extent that we are most likely going to order all our furniture in the UK (or delivered there) until we have amassed a truckload, then ship it over. Luckily I have somewhere I can accumulate stuff!

Even with transport costs (and potentially duty/TVA) the savings are looking to be significant.

Even furniture on sale here, and therefore approaching reasonable by Swiss standards, is often double or triple the cost of equivalent item.

It's beyond me...
Antiques on the other hand, are very good value in CH if you find places away from the Montreux Riviera of course! There are also many Le Troc places with amazing stuff at very low prices. These are furniture, etc, places where people take furniture to be sold and Le Troc takes 30% of profit. We use the one in La Chaux-de-Fonds which often has fabulous bargains for really good quality. And a really good antiquaire in Bevaix (NE), Mr Richard. A fantastic Ali-Baba store on several floors of a medieval house. There are plenty dotted around Romandie- go looking. Three towns specialise in antique shops, Le Landeron (NE), Romainmotiers (VD) and St Ursanne (JU).
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Even furniture on sale here, and therefore approaching reasonable by Swiss standards, is often double or triple the cost of equivalent item.


I agree with you that the prices for anything-above-Ikea furniture are absurd, especially given that the quality is often middling and the choice limited.

However, in addition to Odile's excellent suggestions, if you are into hardwoods: Have you considered having a local furniture maker (Möbelschreiner in German) do some custom work for you?

I have found this to be an excellent value; prices for the one-off pieces I've had made have been the same, or even quite a bit less, than prices for factory made mass-produced furniture in the top end stores. More importantly, the quality of workmanship and design is often far superior. And the prices have been similar to hand-made pieces I've had done in the US.

And, you would be supporting local artisans - which means supporting a bit of Swiss history and culture.

I'm certainly not one of the 'Buy Swiss!' brigade. I think many of the larger stores are milking consumers dry while providing a so-so product and poor customer service. However - when I stumble across a truly excellent product, excellent service, at a price that is fair - I do believe that supporting local talent is important.

Just a thought.
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The problem is that while buying Swiss is expensive in most cases it isn't a tually Swiss. I never had a problem with paying high prices for something that was actually Fabrique en Suisse. The problem I always had was paying high for something that's sold everywhere else in the world and was better quality for the money.

Oh, and I, like many, have problems with paying more than twice the price for games and toys that were made in China. If they were Swiss I was on board.
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The problem is that while buying Swiss is expensive in most cases it isn't a tually Swiss. I never had a problem with paying high prices for something that was actually Fabrique en Suisse. The problem I always had was paying high for something that's sold everywhere else in the world and was better quality for the money.

Oh, and I, like many, have problems with paying more than twice the price for games and toys that were made in China. If they were Swiss I was on board.

I agree. I went to Manor where they were selling 2 kinds of microscopes. One for 120 CHf and the other for 80. I bought the 120 one, although they were both made in China for my son. The next day I was in France for other reasons but went into Carrefour and saw the same 80 franc one there for sale for 12 euros. The EXACT same one.
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The problem is that while buying Swiss is expensive in most cases it isn't a tually Swiss. I never had a problem with paying high prices for something that was actually Fabrique en Suisse. The problem I always had was paying high for something that's sold everywhere else in the world and was better quality for the money.

Oh, and I, like many, have problems with paying more than twice the price for games and toys that were made in China. If they were Swiss I was on board.
Agreed! Have come across lots of examples of this...
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I agree with you that the prices for anything-above-Ikea furniture are absurd, especially given that the quality is often middling and the choice limited.

However, in addition to Odile's excellent suggestions, if you are into hardwoods: Have you considered having a local furniture maker (Möbelschreiner in German) do some custom work for you?

I have found this to be an excellent value; prices for the one-off pieces I've had made have been the same, or even quite a bit less, than prices for factory made mass-produced furniture in the top end stores. More importantly, the quality of workmanship and design is often far superior. And the prices have been similar to hand-made pieces I've had done in the US.

And, you would be supporting local artisans - which means supporting a bit of Swiss history and culture.

I'm certainly not one of the 'Buy Swiss!' brigade. I think many of the larger stores are milking consumers dry while providing a so-so product and poor customer service. However - when I stumble across a truly excellent product, excellent service, at a price that is fair - I do believe that supporting local talent is important.

Just a thought.
Absolutely definitely looking at custom work, totally agree with your sentiments about supporting real craftsmen/talent. Have already found a few family-run business that we will be asking for quotes for various things like built-in wardrobes and shelves. Not everything can be custom-made though!
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Antiques on the other hand, are very good value in CH if you find places away from the Montreux Riviera of course! There are also many Le Troc places with amazing stuff at very low prices. These are furniture, etc, places where people take furniture to be sold and Le Troc takes 30% of profit. We use the one in La Chaux-de-Fonds which often has fabulous bargains for really good quality. And a really good antiquaire in Bevaix (NE), Mr Richard. A fantastic Ali-Baba store on several floors of a medieval house. There are plenty dotted around Romandie- go looking. Three towns specialise in antique shops, Le Landeron (NE), Romainmotiers (VD) and St Ursanne (JU).
Super suggestions thanks. We have trawled a few antique-y type places, these ones are straight on to the go-see list! We're not in a mad rush to have every single piece of furniture in on day one - looking forward to, now we finally have our home, filling it with some special bits and pieces chosen with care.
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I see ridiculous prices everyday: coffee 4chf. Really? Seriously? If only was it good!

Beer 9chf a pop anyone? And rather cr455y one! (please do not tell me that feldschlossen is worth anything..)
I am just back from NH where I ws buying amazing variety packs of beers from Harpoon or Sam Adams for 12 bucks...

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I see ridiculous prices everyday: coffee 4chf. Really? Seriously? If only was it good!

Beer 9chf a pop anyone? And rather cr455y one! (please do not tell me that feldschlossen is worth anything..)
I am just back from NH where I ws buying amazing variety packs of beers from Harpoon or Sam Adams for 12 bucks...

sigh sob!

While that might be true, how much money did you make per hour back in the states compared to what you make here?
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While that might be true, how much money did you make per hour back in the states compared to what you make here?
Slightly more I agree. But I managed to save way more...
The potential for savings was way superior (and the comfort of the choice of foods, ever been to a Migros? looks like rationing times in CCCP).

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I see ridiculous prices everyday: coffee 4chf. Really? Seriously? If only was it good!

Beer 9chf a pop anyone? And rather cr455y one! (please do not tell me that feldschlossen is worth anything..)
I am just back from NH where I ws buying amazing variety packs of beers from Harpoon or Sam Adams for 12 bucks...

sigh sob!
That's Geneva for you.
Things are much cheaper in the Oberaargau, but the catch is you have to live here
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ever been to a Migros? looks like rationing times in CCCP
Something tells me you like hyperbolic language.

A word on choice in supermarkets: it reflects the local habits, so that at any given place, the choice is optimal, otherwise, the market economy would do what it always does. There is no use thinking back to what ever country's shops you liked best. The only relevant point is the market shares of consumer categories in the given environment.

If you belong to a minority that is of no interest for the money-making in a given country, then so be it. Blame it on capitalism, not on Marx. If Migros/Coop could make more money with other products, said products would already be on the shelves.

It's hard to be a minority, isn't it? I am a minority anywhere in the world, so I look at people who are used to be the "Mr. Norms" when they struggle outside of their comfort zone with amusement. No offense intended, really.
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