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Bag of Marshmallows in the states .85 cents. Here 4.50 chf

Pizza Proscruttio in Italy 5.00 euro Here 21.00 CHF

My Favorite....... Subway 5 dollar foot long in the states = $5 Here 17 CHF (WTF???)

I friend of mine said that in most Swiss restaurants they don't even worry about turning tables because the food is so expensive, they can only have a table sat once in an evening and make a profit.

On the flip side. US wait staff work like dogs turning tables because the food is cheap and therefore restaurants need more customers to turn a profit.
....one word, ketchup!! Why the ferk would they charge for ketchup at some fast food franchise and self-service restaurants.
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Old 25.01.2012, 12:32
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Pizza Proscruttio in Italy 5.00 euro Here 21.00 CHF
Around here, more like EUR 10 in Italy, and CHF 15 here.

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Old 25.01.2012, 12:43
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Try a glass of beer in Italy.

I paid the equivalent of CHF8 15 years ago (still in Lire) standing up at a railway station buffet....
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Old 25.01.2012, 12:44
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Here's a twist: I recommended a version of Loctite* to a friend in the U.S.; he came back and was like,"holy smokes- $125 for 50ml!". I get the same stuff here, in the local hardware store, for half that.

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....one word, ketchup!! Why the ferk would they charge for ketchup at some fast food franchise and self-service restaurants.
Hahaha....My dad came this summer and he is a HUGE mayonnaise fan. He gobs it on everything. We went to Glacier 3000 and we ate in the self service restaurant at the top. He had no idea that you paid for each packet and they char 50 rappen each. He grabbed like 10 of each for everyone to share. 10 francs later....he was puzzled why his bratwurst mit pommes cost 32 francs. Awesome!!
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

And this is exactly why they charge for it - to avoid people grabbing handfuls and then putting the extra in the bin. It works


You can't talk about 'prices in Switzerland' or 'prices in Italy' or even 'prices in the UK' for a pizza or coffee. It is all about location, location, location. Not many places in hot tourist spots or large towns in Italy where you can buy a pizza for 5E, honest.

How much is the lunch menu where you live in CH - here is it 16F for soup or salad, main meal and dessert. Won't get that at Covent Garden
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And this is exactly why they charge for it - to avoid people grabbing handfuls and then putting the extra in the bin. It works


You can't talk about 'prices in Switzerland' or 'prices in Italy' or even 'prices in the UK' for a pizza or coffee. It is all about location, location, location. Not many places in hot tourist spots or large towns in Italy where you can buy a pizza for 5E, honest.
As at the piazza San Marco in Venice last week:
1 caffe (espresso) macchiato 9 Euro?
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Old 25.01.2012, 15:36
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Try a glass of beer in Italy.

I paid the equivalent of CHF8 15 years ago (still in Lire) standing up at a railway station buffet....
Maybe there is a special tax for drinking beer instead of wine in Italy.
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Old 25.01.2012, 15:57
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I buy all my clothes in the United States. Why pay $150 for a pair of Levis when I pay $30. My parents live next to an outlet mall and over Christmas I was able to get two Ralph Lauren shirts for $20 each. In Italy or Switzerland they would have cost around $200-$250.
Not that I disagree with you, but when you do that, it only makes the price of Levi's here even more expensive and less likely they will carry it on their shelves. If people want less choice they will continue to buy back in the states.

One BIG point to point out is though, those prices for expensive Levi's and Raulph Laurens are NOT set by the store. It's set by the brand names. They know there is demand here that will pay more so they set the prices higher.
Here is a little experiment to try...go back to a JCpenny in the states and tell them you want to buy 5 to 10 pairs of Levi's to take to friends in family in Europe. They will refuse the sale to you. It's mandated by the brand. It's their way of keeping the prices high here, and making the most from it....ie....that's an American company trying to soak you for more cash, not the Swiss retailer.
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Old 25.01.2012, 15:58
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As at the piazza San Marco in Venice last week:
1 caffe (espresso) macchiato 9 Euro?
Interesting, as even in Milano it's normally EUR 0.85!

But yes, beer is often EUR 4 or 5, while wine is EUR 1.

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Old 25.01.2012, 16:02
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Here's a twist: I recommended a version of Loctite* to a friend in the U.S.; he came back and was like,"holy smokes- $125 for 50ml!". I get the same stuff here, in the local hardware store, for half that.

*Industrial, specialized 'glue' if it matters
Which version?

I've got a tube of 660 "Press Fit Repair" in front of me that was a LOT cheaper in the US than getting it here ($10 or $20 as I recall, 50 ml)

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....one word, ketchup!! Why the ferk would they charge for ketchup at some fast food franchise and self-service restaurants.
I asked a Movenpick motorway service station restaurant employee precisely this question the first time I picked up 2 sachets of mustard before being intercepted and asked to pay 1 franc - the answer that if it was free what would stop people from just taking them. Then I realised what a different culture I had arrived in - that either doesn't trust its citizens not to be grasping when left to their own devices, or where the corporate culture is to screw every last penny out of the customer through endless itemisation of costs that most other places on this planet are thrown in as part of the package.
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Interesting, as even in Milano it's normally EUR 0.85!

But yes, beer is often EUR 4 or 5, while wine is EUR 1.

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It's not that bad. When I was for the first time in Venice (1976) the espresso was on CHF 6.50.
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I asked a Movenpick motorway service station restaurant employee precisely this question the first time I picked up 2 sachets of mustard before being intercepted and asked to pay 1 franc - the answer that if it was free what would stop people from just taking them. Then I realised what a different culture I had arrived in - that doesn't trust its citizens not to be grasping when left to their own devices even thought they are so affluent. Rules rules bleedin rules.

Then again I can go to a mechanic, in a city no where near where I live, have 600 CHF worth of work done on my car, and they send me a pink slip in the mail 2 weeks later.
I think they are very trusting in commerce here. When working in margins with food being so tight, they haven't factored into their sales people needing to stock their fridges with ketchup packages thru the next decade when they are trying to sell sandwich to them.
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Then again I can go to a mechanic, in a city no where near where I live, have 600 CHF worth of work done on my car, and they send me a pink slip in the mail 2 weeks later.
I think they are very trusting in commerce here. When working in margins with food being so tight, they haven't factored into their sales people needing to stock their fridges with ketchup packages thru the next decade when they are trying to sell sandwich to them.
I just edited my post on reflection - I think in reality these charges have more to do with screwing every last penny out of consumers.
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I asked a Movenpick motorway service station restaurant employee precisely this question the first time I picked up 2 sachets of mustard before being intercepted and asked to pay 1 franc - the answer that if it was free what would stop people from just taking them. Then I realised what a different culture I had arrived in - that doesn't trust its citizens not to be grasping when left to their own devices even thought they are so affluent. Rules rules bleedin rules.
Not sure where you are from but in a lot of place in Europe you leave a box of ketchup sachets on the counter and the whole box will be gone within 10 mins.

Why should Movenpick not charge you? Most people, including myself would stick their hand in a grab a few and use 1.5 or 2 and the rest goes in the bin, you pay for them you will take what you need, no wastage or its at your cost. All those sachets add up over the year.
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I asked a Movenpick motorway service station restaurant employee precisely this question the first time I picked up 2 sachets of mustard before being intercepted and asked to pay 1 franc - the answer that if it was free what would stop people from just taking them.
Actually, I had heard (several decades ago) that they were legally required to charge for them.

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Not sure where you are from but in a lot of place in Europe you leave a box of ketchup sachets on the counter and the whole box will be gone within 10 mins.

Why should Movenpick not charge you? Most people, including myself would stick their hand in a grab a few and use 1.5 or 2 and the rest goes in the bin, you pay for them you will take what you need, no wastage or its at your cost. All those sachets add up over the year.
I have travelled many places. Some of the poorest being some of the most hospitable (I was never charged a penny for using a bathroom, a condiment or a glass of water in Syria for example).

I have only experienced charging ad infinitum for such frivoulous items as taking a leak, parking at an out of town shopping centre, sachets of mustard etc. in Switzerland. Germany can be a bit anal about such things but not quite so cheeky. Even if you approve of a culture dominated by a bean-counter mentality of charging for every single pleasure (e.g. hairdressers charging separately for shampoo and conditioner!) which in my mind sucks the joy out of any leisure experience then at least charge what the damn thing costs. I appreciate the main item will be marked up heftily but being charged a franc for 2 little plastic sachets of plastic mustard is just naff and by any decent standard extracts the hospitable part out of hospitality.
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Actually, I had heard (several decades ago) that they were legally required to charge for them.

Tom
Even worse if true! A law declining the right of an establishment to provide a warm welcome - not so herzlich.

Excuse my miserablity but I am on a downer on the place at the moment - probably a case of SAD after a cumulative total of 7 hours of sunshine here so far this year :-(
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I have travelled many places. Some of the poorest being some of the most hospitable (I was never charged a penny for using a bathroom, a condiment or a glass of water in Syria for example).

I have only experienced charging ad infinitum for such frivoulous items as taking a leak, parking at an out of town shopping centre, sachets of mustard etc. in Switzerland. Germany can be a bit anal about such things but not quite so cheeky. Even if you approve of a culture dominated by a bean-counter mentality of charging for every single pleasure (e.g. hairdressers charging separately for shampoo and conditioner!) which in my mind sucks the joy out of any leisure experience then at least charge what the damn thing costs. I appreciate the main item will be marked up heftily but being charged a franc for 2 little plastic sachets of plastic mustard is just naff and by any decent standard extracts the hospitable part out of hospitality.
It might be naff to you and I but to a company it is good business sense.

I just had a quick look on Amazon and it is approx 11chf for a bag of 50 sachets. 0.50chf per sachet = 25chf now I have not even considered buying in bulk or buying at cost price etc and I have more than doubled my money already.

Oh and in the UK you will struggle to find anywhere (outside of restaurants) that you get sachets for free and if i remember correctly all BK's and McD's to give them away fro free either.
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