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Old 22.02.2012, 13:22
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Because the price and the cost aren't connected to each other.

I give up
That's the point, Cav. An item that costs effectively the same in Switzerland or Germany, has a much lower price in Germany than in Switzerland. Not logical, or even defensible.
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Old 22.02.2012, 13:23
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Yesterday, I paid CHF28 for a packet of Strepsils and nasal spay!
I'm spitting feathers!
.......then I think you need more than Strepsils and nasal spray.
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Old 22.02.2012, 13:24
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Food in the UK is zero rated (ie no VAT)
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/forms-rat...services.htm#1

VAT is 2.4% on food in Switzerland...
I know that at one point the argument was about food prices, but to me the most telling comparison is between items where the VAT gap is greatest -- 11+ percentage points.

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Old 22.02.2012, 13:29
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I always thought Bern was the Capital...
What is this Bern you speak of?
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What is this Bern you speak of?
I think it's part of Jura. The Juraian People Front are voting to eject them from the Kanton. Or something.
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Old 22.02.2012, 14:33
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stay there or if you've already moved here go back...
I will stay here.
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Old 22.02.2012, 14:36
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The Juraian People Front are voting to eject them ....
what a bunch of splitters.

Whatever happened to the Popular Front of Jura by the way?
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Yesterday, I paid CHF28 for a packet of Strepsils and nasal spay!
I'm spitting feathers!
Don't worry, many people seem to get convinced to buy that nasal spray at least once but never again. 18 CHF for salt water in a jet bottle that wet the other side of the bathroom instead of clearing my nasal cavity!
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I've largely given up moaning about the cost of goods here. No one put a gun to my head and made me move. I earn roughly 50% more here than I did in the UK (and I earned a pretty good salary there), so I just remind myself of this when I'm wandering round the supermarket.

The people to feel sorry for are the tourists or the immigrants in their first few weeks.
Here is the problem: The Swiss economy depends on tourism. With the global economy going the way it is, high prices could seriously damage the tourism industry in the near future. I wouldn't want to see this happen, because I have friends and relatives in Switzerland, but they could effectively price themselves out of the market.

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Or get thee to America. I hate Swiss prices.
... and once upon a time you could order from amazon.com and they sent you everything you wanted, charging the daily exchange rate for the dollar ...
not possible any more.

But it's not Switzerland but the global players who want to charge extra for selling in CH (because who you think is the "importers"?).


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Trouble is, we want Swiss salaries and American or UK prices.

I've largely given up moaning about the cost of goods here. No one put a gun to my head and made me move. I earn roughly 50% more here than I did in the UK (and I earned a pretty good salary there), so I just remind myself of this when I'm wandering round the supermarket.
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And you should have seen the prices 20 years ago ...

What makes Swiss price level seem expensive for a newcomer (and a tourist) ist the abnormal currency exchange rate, not the price itself.

I think - due to the confrontation with the prices a couple of years ago - that supermarkets in CH are actually quite cheap.
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... that supermarkets in CH are actually quite cheap.
"Cheap" and "Swiss supermarkets" don't belong in the same sentence. I can buy a big thick strip steak here in New York for $9, and it's a good quality steak at that. Whole chickens for $4-$7, etc. And we go crazy here when the prices increase by a quarter.
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In my opinion the quality of the fruit and vegetables are better here than in Germany or France, ...
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Might be, but not better than in Italy (but also regarding this high challenge CH climbed up a lot).


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... and the quality in Coop is much better than Migros.
Was like that until 10 years ago, yes. Now I do not see a huge difference any more.
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"Cheap" and "Swiss supermarkets" don't belong in the same sentence. I can buy a big thick strip steak here in New York for $9, and it's a good quality steak at that. Whole chickens for $4-$7, etc. And we go crazy here when the prices increase by a quarter.
OK, you are right in this,

but you took one of the categories that are most expensive in CH.

Many are not. At least not if you got used to Italian or French prices (but also German ones, and Germany is one of the cheapest country in EU).
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Old 22.02.2012, 21:51
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"Cheap" and "Swiss supermarkets" don't belong in the same sentence. I can buy a big thick strip steak here in New York for $9, and it's a good quality steak at that. Whole chickens for $4-$7, etc. And we go crazy here when the prices increase by a quarter.
You can go into a gun store and come out packing enough ammunition to take on Iran by yourself if you're Stateside, but as there are hundreds of millions of you the scales of economy, distribution and market forces aren't comparable to this peace loving nation of under eight million, so your comparison is rather moot.
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Here is the problem: The Swiss economy depends on tourism. With the global economy going the way it is, high prices could seriously damage the tourism industry in the near future.
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Again: Prices in the tourism sector are not really high, but currency exchange is bad.

Luckily CH does not depend too much upon tourism as it did a couple of decades ago.


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... I have friends and relatives in Switzerland, but they could effectively price themselves out of the market.
The question is until what point and on what target.

They can maybe improve here and there - and it's true: in the 80ies touristic locations were expensive and not seldom even quite bad.

That's why I hate the "importeurs": They try to sell their left overs or basic stuff to CH for really high prices (sometimes triple). But small enterprises normally cannot do this, luckily enough.
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You can go into a gun store and come out packing enough ammunition to take on Iran by yourself if you're Stateside, but as there are hundreds of millions of you the scales of economy, distribution and market forces aren't comparable to this peace loving nation of under eight million, so your comparison is rather moot.
This is bad reasoning.

Swiss prices are higher because they are a small, CLOSED corporatist economy with enormous regulations and barriers to entry. Period.
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Old 22.02.2012, 23:04
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Actually, worse than the prices are the cartels that, for example, replaced the Swedish cheese that I loved and bought in some numbers from Ikea with some generic Swiss made stuff that, well, I can't be forced to eat. Gone is the blue cheese and the others which made me happy to have the choice.

On the upside, Ikea CH FINALLY seems to have convinced the potato cartel that french fries is not entirely enjoyable with meatballs and allowed for mashed now. I can't tell you how many times I got the meatballs only to toss the fries as you can't really mush a meatball, fries and lingon jam together the same way. Whatever cartel that was in charge of that, mon dieu mein leibe.

It's not so much the prices, though those are rather frightful, it's the feeling that no matter what you buy, you're getting corn holed and you're at the mercy of cartels who limit your choices.
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

http://www.thelocal.no/page/view/goo...ay-dairy-giant


Perhaps CH is not that bad compared to some Scandinavian countries. Alcohol, butter etc. are tightly controlled. Recently Norway had a butter crisis.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...tage-christmas
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Old 22.02.2012, 23:27
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Perhaps CH is not that bad compared to some Scandinavian countries.
Or Corsica!

Prices in Corsica make anything in CH seem cheap!

Tom

P.S. I've always spent far more for a decent meal in N/S/DK than in CH!

Less than NOK 500, forget it!
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Here is the problem: The Swiss economy depends on tourism. With the global economy going the way it is, high prices could seriously damage the tourism industry in the near future. I wouldn't want to see this happen, because I have friends and relatives in Switzerland, but they could effectively price themselves out of the market.
With respect, I think you're changing your argument now. Unless I misunderstood your original point. So it's the Swiss tourism industry you're worried about?

Don't fret too much about them. The more expensive Champagne becomes, the more it sells.
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