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Old 23.02.2012, 02:51
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Or get thee to America. I hate Swiss prices.
You will discover eventually that prices in the States are only sometimes better. Don't forget that the price doesn't include taxes, import or export duties, I.e. more taxes. And you will find that you don't always get what you thought you were paying for in the fist place.

If you want what they are selling, then great. But, if you can't find exactly what you want, it usually means you are stuck with a ton of rubbish to choose from and no way to make it yourself cause truly pure raw ingredients are impossible to find in the USA. As a general rule I find that I have more trouble "faking it" here in the States.
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Ok well we're moving to Zurich in may and currently live in the states. We have a Ikea store near us and we have down some price shopping there And then looked up the ch Ikea store and the mark up there is unbelievable. They have a Pong chair that is simple but very cumfy, in the states it was listed at 40 us dollars and in Switzerland it was list for 159ch, the same chair and same product number, thinking about buying one of everything taking it over there and selling it all lol.

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Old 23.02.2012, 14:00
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Hmm, are you sure you're not looking at just the cover for the chair? That one is 39chf in CH. The chair itself (depending on the exact model) is more expensive. There is indeed a difference of 30chf or so between US and CH, but not 100+.

p.s.: i got my poang from on sale for 59chf
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p.s.: i got my poang from on sale for 59chf
Yeah, but is it cumfy?
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p.s.: i got my poang from on sale for 59chf
P.S. I saw one at the Brocki for 10 CHF. Good condition too.
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Old 23.02.2012, 19:43
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You will discover eventually that prices in the States are only sometimes better. Don't forget that the price doesn't include taxes, import or export duties, I.e. more taxes. And you will find that you don't always get what you thought you were paying for in the fist place.

If you want what they are selling, then great. But, if you can't find exactly what you want, it usually means you are stuck with a ton of rubbish to choose from and no way to make it yourself cause truly pure raw ingredients are impossible to find in the USA. As a general rule I find that I have more trouble "faking it" here in the States.
Since I'm a native of St. Louis, Chesterfield to be specific, about 30+ years before the arrival of the McMansions and the ungodly "The Valley", back when you could drive down Wild Horse Creek on a full moon without your headlights on and without ever passing another car, I'm guessing that you aren't a native to St. Louis or the Midwest given it is the agricultural center of the US. I'm not sure what raw ingredients you might be looking for or what part of the area you're living in but I'm assuming you're just having a bit of CH withdrawal or possibly just aren't familiar enough with the area. In the case the latter is true, you should try a) Soulard Market ( http://www.soulardmarket.com/ ) since it's pretty freakin' big and, unless you live next to or on a farm, if you can't find the fresh veg/egg/meat you're looking for, it's either not grown in the US or possibly very exotic b) The Asian groceries on South Grand which have just about everything else c) Whole Foods d) pick-your-own farms (many, though the ones like Helwig's and Rombach's are no longer there for much other than pumpkins anymore, there are many more in the MO river valley that have sprung up to ease the void) e) Babler State Park for walnuts, morel mushrooms and a wide variety of berries depending on the season. If you have something specific you're looking for, including co-ops and distance limits, I'd be happy to offer you some alternatives as well.

If you're stuck with a 'ton of rubbish' then you haven't looked hard enough. There are lots of things I don't like about the US (particularly St. Louis since I only visit family now...couldn't live there again), lack of choice and options aren't one of them, particularly out in farm country. I truly, TRULY, miss the pick-your-own corn back there as, while Migros did have corn in the summer, it was excruciatingly priced (5CHF or more for 2 tiny ears vs. 10 for a buck in STL in season) and it pales to corn freshly picked and cooked/grilled within a couple of hours.

And, lastly, if you're looking for German specialties, both raw ingredients as well as bakeries, you'll appreciate Soulard. Most of the south city is peppered with German-style groceries, diners, etc. I never understood what the appeal of St. Louis was for my grandparents when they moved there until I first saw Germany and it made a lot of sense. It's like a little slice of Southern Germany.

As to prices...yes, prices have increased particularly in St. Louis since it used to be wicked cheap, but even though it's no longer the cheapest part of the US in which to live, it still is nowhere near der Schweiz. Can you imagine the heart attacks in the groceries with chicken being priced at roughly $17 per pound?

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Old 23.02.2012, 19:51
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Can you imagine the heart attacks in the groceries with chicken being priced at roughly $17 per pound?

Perspective.
When can we move on to the next items for comparison between the US and Switzerland - poverty and crime rates?

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When can we move on to the next items for comparison between the US and Switzerland - poverty and crime rates?

Perspective.
Actually, the first time I've had anything stolen in over 20 years...was here in Switzerland, right out of my car, in the span of 5 minutes when I ducked into a migrolino. The weird part was that it was daughter's tiny backpack AND the diaper wipes out of the car door that I always have on hand. I mean...diaper wipes? Weird. The US crime rates are just more newsworthy.
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I know this is probably an old topic, but it retains the power to shock. The wife and I have seen a large piece of furniture we wish to buy, from a particular furniture maker.

Price in Germany: 2,500 Euros (3,700 CHF or thereabouts).

Price in Switzerland: 9,000 CHF!!!!

It's currently looking like: Hire a van for 2 days, stay overnight in a fancy hotel, pay the customs, and still save 4,000 CHF!

Anyone else seen any other barmy examples?

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Have you brought this to their attention and tried to negotiate. Nothing to lose. It can be done-I've done it many times. However, for furniture, I agree that Swiss companies can be pricey, but they tend to be of good quality, however not justifying the price differential you quoted. I guess it will be the informed consumer that may spoil their party on occasion.
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When it comes to ikea I am actually confused...the prices from Ikea Romania are mostly the same or sometimes higher than Ikea CH. considering the huge difference in income it is weird


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Ok well we're moving to Zurich in may and currently live in the states. We have a Ikea store near us and we have down some price shopping there And then looked up the ch Ikea store and the mark up there is unbelievable. They have a Pong chair that is simple but very cumfy, in the states it was listed at 40 us dollars and in Switzerland it was list for 159ch, the same chair and same product number, thinking about buying one of everything taking it over there and selling it all lol.

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That's only because retail is expensive in general in RO. For example food is more expensive than in Germany, exactly the same items in exactly the same store (e.g. Kaufland).

As a bonus, in RO Ikea is thought of as a "premium" brand...like McDonald's
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Actually a conversation I had tonight with a guy from RO confirms what you said:
He says: we need furniture and we need quality...so we go to Ikea



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That's only because retail is expensive in general in RO. For example food is more expensive than in Germany, exactly the same items in exactly the same store (e.g. Kaufland).

As a bonus, in RO Ikea is thought of as a "premium" brand...like McDonald's
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Have you brought this to their attention and tried to negotiate. Nothing to lose. It can be done-I've done it many times. However, for furniture, I agree that Swiss companies can be pricey, but they tend to be of good quality, however not justifying the price differential you quoted. I guess it will be the informed consumer that may spoil their party on occasion.
Good luck trying to negotiate nearly 40% off in Switzerland ...

If it truly were a case of "Swiss quality" being superior, well, there may be a case for the massive price difference. But often the argument is for Swiss quality over German quality, for example, or Japanese, and very often those latter two are easily the equal of the Swiss. In any case, the astonishing price differences are often to be seen in exactly like-for-like comparisons -- i.e. comparing the identical product, made by the same company, with the same branding -- just sold in two different countries, one of which is Switzerland.
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When it comes to ikea I am actually confused...the prices from Ikea Romania are mostly the same or sometimes higher than Ikea CH. considering the huge difference in income it is weird
That most likely has to do with Romania being a rather large and emerging market with little to no brand furniture. Sure there are furniture makers but the marketing plays a huges roll as well as the simplicity of shopping at Ikea. I'm confident to say, that there are ample carpenters in RO, which could easily build you custom furniture at a fraction of the price but they sure can't provide you with a clear inventory, modern designs and those lovely meatballs.
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When it comes to ikea I am actually confused...the prices from Ikea Romania are mostly the same or sometimes higher than Ikea CH. considering the huge difference in income it is weird
IKEA has most one of the most odd pricing policies I know.

If you compare the IKEA websites of different countries there appears to be a incredibly broad range of prices, and it's not even that some countries are generally more expensive than others but it can vary from product to product. I guess they just take what the market will pay. Anyway, as far as I'm concerned everything in any IKEA is overpriced when you put it in relation to what it really is. In return for sacrificing two hours of my life in their ghastly showroom they should give me stuff for free and it would still be too expensive.
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

We found that going just over the boarde into Germany there are lots of furniture shops and if you get there early enough you will have not crowds and the sales people are just waiting for you. Obviously, the prices are around 20-25% lower too and they deliver to your home without extra charge. Worth a trip.
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We found that going just over the boarde into Germany there are lots of furniture shops and if you get there early enough you will have not crowds and the sales people are just waiting for you. Obviously, the prices are around 20-25% lower too and they deliver to your home without extra charge. Worth a trip.
So they deliver products across the border and there is no VAT that you have to pay on those products coming in?
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So they deliver products across the border and there is no VAT that you have to pay on those products coming in?
You will pay Swiss VAT
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You will pay Swiss VAT
Yeah, I was being a bit of a cynic. The fact that the germans are so willing to do business is no surprise. But I have to declare anything when I cross the border, just because it is 20% cheaper over there, doesn't mean the Swiss won't throw on a 20% VAT charge, and on top of it, if you have a warranty or any issue, you have to go to Germany to discuss it. And I bet if you aren't a German resident those warranties won't apply the same; or at all.
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Yeah, I was being a bit of a cynic. The fact that the germans are so willing to do business is no surprise. But I have to declare anything when I cross the border, just because it is 20% cheaper over there, doesn't mean the Swiss won't throw on a 20% VAT charge, and on top of it, if you have a warranty or any issue, you have to go to Germany to discuss it. And I bet if you aren't a German resident those warranties won't apply the same; or at all.
You will loose that bet, German waranties are rather good, unlike local ones that have a habit of only being valid if you still have the box!
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