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Re: 'Foreign' Swiss prices!

Just received a bill from a gardener we are contractually obligued to have = 1400CHF for two men, three hours work.

I thought he had made a typo and added an extra 0 by accident but apparently no...
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Old 01.05.2012, 00:52
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Bought a garment at the Ulla Popken shop in Luzern.
It is a German firm I understand.
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Swiss price CHF 59,95
UK price £ 26.00

so about £20 difference. Is Switzerland entirely responsible for this? How does it work?
Just checked this company over their two WEBsites CH + DE. To me, they are crooks. To sell similar stuff in Germany for € 29 and in Switzerland for CHF 59 cannot be justified by slightly higher costs, not least as Germany also has expensive locations. Even if the stuff is of non-EU/non-EFTA origin, this is no excuse as the customs duties in Switzerland are the very similar to those in Germany and the VAT is much lower here.

They try it. But may not be aware that there IS competition with far lower prices for comparable products.

Look around. German companies who get onto the Swiss market with either the same prices as the competition or even lower prices have a considerable success, those who try to cheat their way through usally disappear within a few years
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Vendors get paid more in Switzerland, that might explain part of the price difference. The other part is... well, Swiss are stupid enough to let firms rip them off.
No twice. The salaries may be higher in Switzerland, but the total costs per employee either are the same or LOWER than in Germany. Some Germans are stupid enough to think that they could rip off people here .... but to say it with Winston Churchill "you can cheat most people for a short time, and you can cheat some people for a long time, but you cannot cheat most people for a long time.

Or do you want to say that MediaMarkt, Lidl, Aldi are ripping people off ?

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I have seen price tags in the UK showing prices in Pounds, Euros and CHF. The Euro price usually converts fairly closely but the Swiss price is often much higher
The name for such people is CROOKS

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Just received a bill from a gardener we are contractually obligued to have = 1400CHF for two men, three hours work.

I thought he had made a typo and added an extra 0 by accident but apparently no...
If you calculate it through, the result is CHF 233 per man-hour, which is about 80 CHF more than you pay for a fully educated computer specialist. So much for this. BUT, did you ask for a quote before giving your order ??

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Just received a bill from a gardener we are contractually obligued to have = 1400CHF for two men, three hours work.

I thought he had made a typo and added an extra 0 by accident but apparently no...

if you are obliged by contract to employ these people at these prices i'd be interested to hear what YOU or you're company are earning.

would you provide 6 man hours plus possibly machinery ( not a briefcase and a laptop) plus travelling expenses for Fr.140,

too many dreamin' moaners getting rich here and complainin' 'bout the prices they have to pay to stay afloat.

not you odile, but you should know better by now since you are actually swiss.
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Re: 'Foreign' Swiss prices!

You are in a different country, so of course it is a different price. I am sure if you go to Asia, your movie disk will have another different price which make you have another kind of Culture Shock!
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Old 01.05.2012, 09:40
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Re: 'Foreign' Swiss prices!

I was looking on a children's site for my son's birthday present and found a water table I liked. When I looked at the price it was 24.95 Euros and then switched it to the Swiss version of the same site and the price went up to 50CHF! Looking at the conversion rate this is a hike of 20CHF.
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Old 01.05.2012, 10:06
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Re: 'Foreign' Swiss prices!

Thankfully, although rare, reverse examples are true. In this instance Hertz have just charged me CHF 20 less on a 10 day US rental than they would have if I had been UK resident - for the exact same deal - same vehicle, same rental period, same locations, same discount code and same insurance coverage. The difference is actually only 3% so can be put down to currency differences - my point really is that at least one company doesn't 'penalise' one for being a Switzerland-based buyer. Thank you Hertz!
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Just received a bill from a gardener we are contractually obligued to have = 1400CHF for two men, three hours work.

I thought he had made a typo and added an extra 0 by accident but apparently no...
CHF233 per hour - that is absolutely out of order. I wouldn't accept this- and complain to the Regie. The normal price for a gardener is about 100CHF/per hour. Unless of course there was a lot of preparation work before hand, plants and possibly having to get rid of rubbish/debris afterwards.

For goods, I do expect to pay a 'bit' more in CH, due to extra costs here- but not almost double (as per my garment, £26 + £20 in CH, ridiculous- and yes, I am Swiss!). I have writen to Ulla Popken to complain and ask for their comments. Will update if and when they write back.
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Bought a garment at the Ulla Popken shop in Luzern.
It is a German firm I understand.
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Swiss price CHF 59,95
UK price £ 26.00

so about £20 difference. Is Switzerland entirely responsible for this? How does it work?
Using the exchange rate of 2.40 from 5 years ago £26 would be CHF 62.40
Once a company enteres a market, the price is established, it won't change very much.

German Cars in the UK are substancially cheaper in the UK than in Germany, if the put up the price 30% they will make no sales, it works both ways.

Salaries & Pensions have not dropped in CH as the currency strengthened, I don't see you noticeing that!

Average Salary UK £26k average salary here is twice that in CHF..........
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Just received a bill from a gardener we are contractually obligued to have = 1400CHF for two men, three hours work.

I thought he had made a typo and added an extra 0 by accident but apparently no...
WTF?
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CHF233 per hour - that is absolutely out of order. I wouldn't accept this- and complain to the Regie.
Heck, I pay the firm hired by the Quartier ca. 400/hr NOT to do any gardening.

(This gardening firm wouldn't know which end of a trowel to use. Actually the so-called gardeners don't even have trowels - only chain saws and blowers. The extent of their 'gardening' is chopping down anything green. I won't let them anywhere near my property.)

But the majority of the neighbors voted to use this firm, as they don't wish to do any gardening themselves. The Quartier committee negotiated a contract with this firm, and as a homeowner I am therefore obligated to pay a portion of the Quartier bill based on the size of my property. As the owner of the largest Grundstuck in the Quartier, I thus pay the largest portion of the gardener's bill, whether this firm does any work for me or not.

I consider it just another tax.
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Just checked this company over their two WEBsites CH + DE. To me, they are crooks. To sell similar stuff in Germany for € 29 and in Switzerland for CHF 59 cannot be justified by slightly higher costs, not least as Germany also has expensive locations.
IME conversion rates of 1:2 are pretty much standard across the clothing industry. Main reason I rarely buy clothing in Switzerland.
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would you provide 6 man hours plus possibly machinery ( not a briefcase and a laptop) plus travelling expenses for Fr.140,
No, but these dudes are charging not that much less than I charge per day as a professional photographer for major brand advertising jobs & I tell you, my tool kit is a hell of a lot more expensive than theirs.

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too many rip off merchants getting rich here and complainin' 'when people sod off over the boarder because they are fed up having to pay these piss taking prices.
Corrected for you
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IME conversion rates of 1:2 are pretty much standard across the clothing industry. Main reason I rarely buy clothing in Switzerland.
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C&A and H&M do not do so, and as a result do excellent business. Their profits per customer may be a bit less, but in the long-term, they are the ones well placed. Do not forget, that such "fashion-boutiques" are "en-vogue" today and tomorrow, but completely "out" the day after. Do you have Jelmoli in your mind ? Jelmoli already was expensive between 1930 and 1970 and will stay expensive as long as it exists. Try Manor, not cheap but decent. St Annahof (COOP City) is not expensive but their fashion (at least on the man side) sucks . Konstanz on the other side has very nice shops, a "shopping mile" which can be recommended. But attention please, Friedrichshafen shops are twice as expensive as Konstanz. Switzerland apparently forgot to capture that place ! and rename it Tells-Hafen

PS: I refer to the 30ies and 40ies, decades I was not yet around. But Mum was haute-couture tailor and saleswoman by profession (Paris-educated for a year in 37/38), and had worked for years in the Paradeplatz area (war-time). She had her lodgings in the buidling which later was moved accross the road, I think on the 2nd floor. She gave up working in 46 and from 48/50 onward was busy in her attempt to tame my brother and me and make us some decent and acceptable chaps !
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Thankfully, although rare, reverse examples are true. In this instance Hertz have just charged me CHF 20 less on a 10 day US rental than they would have if I had been UK resident - for the exact same deal - same vehicle, same rental period, same locations, same discount code and same insurance coverage. The difference is actually only 3% so can be put down to currency differences - my point really is that at least one company doesn't 'penalise' one for being a Switzerland-based buyer. Thank you Hertz!
Another rare example: laredoute.ch offers Victoria plimsolls at reduced prices for a fairer rate than german based shopping websites. CHF 27.95 as opposed to EUR 29.00
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

After living in Asia for 5 years, we are preparing to move to Zürich in the summer. We are making sure to enjoy the cheap restaurants, foot massages, and buying as much furniture as will fit into our container. These will all be things of the past once we move. Yes, things are expensive, but the pollution index in Beijing the other day was over 500--technically beyond the index. I am happy to live with the high prices as long as the air stays clean!
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the pollution index in Beijing the other day was over 500--technically beyond the index.
Wow, that's crazy bad!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...-air-pollution
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Fortunately, we live in Shanghai and were only visiting Beijing! Interesting link though--I know the US Embassy air stats are an embarrassment for the Gov't here, and interestingly, my iPhone CN air quality app, which used to show both readings (see if you can guess which one was always higher...) for the city, was now no longer available. I am really counting the days here until we can breathe easy--Shanghai is better than Beijing, but compared to CH, it is bad...
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Fortunately, we live in Shanghai and were only visiting Beijing! Interesting link though--I know the US Embassy air stats are an embarrassment for the Gov't here, and interestingly, my iPhone CN air quality app, which used to show both readings (see if you can guess which one was always higher...) for the city, was now no longer available. I am really counting the days here until we can breathe easy--Shanghai is better than Beijing, but compared to CH, it is bad...
That's why I call it purely culture shock reaction of OP. The price of an European brand product will sell at least 20% more in Mainland China. That explains why Asian tourists come to Europe and America to shop. People certainly buying stuff on Bahnhofstrasse shops as to OP wondered it. Yeah, fortunately I am coming from Beijing, so I know how bad it is.

You are suprised by the fact that different prices in a different countries?----I call it Culture Shock~
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Is it as cheap to buy in France as it is to buy in Germany?
Curious because everyone seems to be saying that they buy in Germany - but is that because they live close to Germany or only Germany has good prices?
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