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Old 30.08.2012, 18:28
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Some people here seem to believe they can move into a very expensive city like Zurich or Lausanne, get a fantastic job and a cheap apartment without any problem...

And next they start to complain that things are actually expensive here. What's the term? "Reality check" I guess.
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I do that all the time....just go DE/ES/IT/FR or whereever buy, pay the customs and you stuill have a change!!! and better you get to know new places arpound, fancy hotel a break and the furniture for a right price!!! :-)) Welcome on board!

This is a speach from someone that has NO IDEA about economy!! sorry mate:-)

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Old 30.08.2012, 19:37
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

I live in Zurich but there is a lot of stuff that I would never try to buy here since I am not brain-dead... I never buy books here because Amazon is much cheaper anyway, if I need a new battery for my mobile I would not even try a second to get it here and so on.
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Old 30.08.2012, 23:01
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because in germany the kaufland employee (cashier maybe) earns 900-1200euro net, while in zurich 3500-4500 net.
so from my perspective the coop n migros need to charge more to pay these salaries though i believe still they have a good margin.
I assume you did not read the earlier posts on this salary issue which are totally opposite to your view?
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Old 30.08.2012, 23:07
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I don't think it's relative if you look at the big picture. On the other side the big picture of course doesn't matter too much for people that just work here for a few years or so.
Could you rephrase this so poor old guys like me could understand the point you trying to make?

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Usually the other side of pictures are the blank parts that sit against the wall
I hope he meant that this discussion is hitting the wall. That would make sense.
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Old 30.08.2012, 23:23
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Your argument is that the Swiss get paid plenty, so they can afford to pay inflated prices.

The point everyone else is making is that prices in Switzerland are very high with no underlying cause. That is, someone (or many people) along the production-wholesale-retail chain is taking very large margins without providing additional value. Example: a box of washing detergent costs x in Germany, 1.7x in Switzerland. How much better than the German detergent is the Swiss detergent? Answer: not at all. It's identical. So why does it cost more? Because the market will bear the extra cost. But consumers in Switzerland get nothing more for the extra cost. That's the simple definition of a consumer rip-off.
Same thing in Norway and Corsica, both of which I find FAR more expensive than here.

Interesting that Italian prices for most things are quite close to Swiss prices.

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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

What i dont understand is how the electronic goods are well priced but food is so much more expensive?
Both require staff and premises so how can electronics be so competitive but food etc not?
I certainly think that migros and coop could sell much more if they employed the layout designers/physiologists from Tescos/ Sainsburys etc, I could never just pop into a supermarket in England and 'just buy a pint of milk' I would always come out with something that was a great offer (even though i didnt need it right now) plus a tasty morsel or 2 to eat. Here, i have no such problems, i really can pop in for a pint of milk as nothing screams BUY ME at all!
Of course this is their loss and my gain, so im not complaining too hard
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Old 31.08.2012, 00:06
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What i dont understand is how the electronic goods are well priced but food is so much more expensive?
Both require staff and premises so how can electronics be so competitive but food etc not?
I certainly think that migros and coop could sell much more if they employed the layout designers/physiologists from Tescos/ Sainsburys etc, I could never just pop into a supermarket in England and 'just buy a pint of milk' I would always come out with something that was a great offer (even though i didnt need it right now) plus a tasty morsel or 2 to eat. Here, i have no such problems, i really can pop in for a pint of milk as nothing screams BUY ME at all!
Of course this is their loss and my gain, so im not complaining too hard
How'd you manage that? Unless they are designed to scream buy me to a 3yr old..... note to self..... get a housefrau
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Old 31.08.2012, 00:11
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Same thing in Norway and Corsica, both of which I find FAR more expensive than here.

Interesting that Italian prices for most things are quite close to Swiss prices.

Tom
Quite ... but not the salaries.
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Old 31.08.2012, 00:42
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Quite ... but not the salaries.
Funny thing is, until the Euro tanked, the frontaliers that work at our company did a lot of their shopping here!

They still do some (mainly electronics and fuel), but less than before.

I shop in Italy only because it's convenient when we go visit the relatives near Luino (or when my wife used to live 100m from the Gaggiolo border), but unless we need something specific ('Nduja, for example), we don't make special trips, as the travel costs/time don't make economic sense.

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Old 31.08.2012, 01:49
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What i dont understand is how the electronic goods are well priced but food is so much more expensive?
That's simple. The food market is heavily regulated and protected. The electronics market isn't.

The much more interesting question is, why are prices in the Swiss electronics/computer market competitive while they aren't competitive in many other markets such as clothing, shoes, sporting goods, furniture, cosmetics, etc.
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The biggest cause, the only cause, of high prices here is that we pay them
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So why does it cost more? Because the market will bear the extra cost.
There you have it, folks. The simple answer to a 45-page thread: free market economics.
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Old 31.08.2012, 10:32
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I shop in Italy only because it's convenient when we go visit the relatives near Luino (or when my wife used to live 100m from the Gaggiolo border), but unless we need something specific ('Nduja, for example), we don't make special trips, as the travel costs/time don't make economic sense.
Exactly. I have a challenging day job and value my free time and life is just too short to spend it on circuitous shopping trips or comparing boring stuff on the internet. Maybe I could save more if i compared prices more. But will the savings justify the erosion of my free time? When I'm abroad I often buy things like clothes and shoes if I happen to walk right into the shop. But I wouldn't go out of my way to find such a shop.
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Old 31.08.2012, 10:37
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I certainly think that migros and coop could sell much more if they employed the layout designers/physiologists from Tescos/ Sainsburys etc, I could never just pop into a supermarket in England and 'just buy a pint of milk' I would always come out with something that was a great offer (even though i didnt need it right now) plus a tasty morsel or 2 to eat. Here, i have no such problems, i really can pop in for a pint of milk as nothing screams BUY ME at all!
Of course this is their loss and my gain, so im not complaining too hard
I catually make the opposite experience. Maybe it's a result of living in CH too long but I find Tesco's and Sainsbury's so gaudy with their clash of disneyesque coloured fonts that they just make me grab what I really urgently need, put on my blinkers and get out asap. In Coop I sometimes wander around just to see what they have and let the stuff they have on display inspire me to what I'm going to cook rather than vice versa.
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Same thing in Norway and Corsica, both of which I find FAR more expensive than here.

Interesting that Italian prices for most things are quite close to Swiss prices.

Tom
Corsica imports almost everything from France, which is in reality a relatively expensive country

Scandinavia is known for a high price level

Italy ? In the 1960ies, prices in the Toscana (Carrara, Massa, Pietrasanta, Viareggio, Lucca, Pisa, Livorno) and in Southern Liguria (La Spezia) were clearly lower than in average Lombardia and Piemonte. No idea whether this still applies today.
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That's simple. The food market is heavily regulated and protected. The electronics market isn't.

The much more interesting question is, why are prices in the Swiss electronics/computer market competitive while they aren't competitive in many other markets such as clothing, shoes, sporting goods, furniture, cosmetics, etc.
Three major reasons in regard to the electronics.
A) Many Far Eastern companies have their Europe-HQs in Switzerland
B) Many Far Eastern companies have their logistical centres (Nissan Switzerland for example) in Switzerland
C) As not a E.U. member, Switzerland does not have to adhere to some anti-Asian E.U.-rules

Over to the other stuff
A) Furniture is man-hours heavy
B) Clothing and sporting goods are imported from Asia, often with the same suppliers as companies in Germany and France have. BUT big German and French companies get quite different traders rebates. Do not forget that Migros and Coop are SMALL companies if seen in a trans-European perspective
B-2) look at clothing at C&A and H&M who import most of their stuff from the Far East. The difference to the more expensive shops is unbelievable.
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Italy ? In the 1960ies, prices in the Toscana (Carrara, Massa, Pietrasanta, Viareggio, Lucca, Pisa, Livorno) and in Southern Liguria (La Spezia) were clearly lower than in average Lombardia and Piemonte. No idea whether this still applies today.
It does still apply.
Same product in the same distribution chain (ie Carrefour) has different price depending where the supermarket is, making pricing policies quite complex there (and i know what i am talking about).

Just FYI, just came back from Naples where i went to eat pizza with some swiss colleagues in a touristy restaurant in via caracciolo (city centre in front of the sea, a popular spot) and for 4 starters, 4 pizzas, 5 bottle of water + 5 limoncello we paid a bill of 71 euros.
Try to beat that!
You would pay double in Milan and triple in Basel.
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Daft to talk about 'Swiss' prices, or 'Italian' or 'UK' - they vary hugely from area to area, and at local level too. In London prices at not the same for a pizza and a bottle of vino in Covent Garden, the Dorchester or Peckham. Fact is, locals know how to play the game, newcomers do not. It makes a big difference. We go to Tuscany every year in the least touristy part, and we can't believe the prices if we go to San Gimignano or even central Florence for the day. 18Euros for 2 black coffees in Venice was ridiculous!

Here a coffee is currently 2.90 and the full day's menu CHF 16 - how much in Zurich or Geneva?
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B-2) look at clothing at C&A and H&M who import most of their stuff from the Far East. The difference to the more expensive shops is unbelievable.
H&M is ripping off the Swiss just like everybody else.

Have a look at this blazer: CHF 69.90 in Switzerland. Good deal, you think?

Think again!

Playing around with the H&M website using different country codes in the URL you'll find that the very same blazer is e.g. being sold for
GBP 29.99 in the UK (= CHF 45.40 or CHF 40.86 with 8% VAT) or
EUR 39.95 in Germany (=CHF 47.97 or CHF 41.20 with 8% VAT)

which translates into a Swiss markup of about 70%.
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