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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

My girlfriend just bought a pair of trousers in Konstanz. Handily, it had one of those pricing lables that provides the price in umpteen currencies, for numerous countries. The price, including VAT, was €59.95 (about CHF 72) in almost all EU countries, except Greece, where it was €65.95 (about CHF 79) (a bit tough on economically-teetering Greece, I thought). I haven't checked the exchange rate for all the other European countries listed on the label, but the ones I calculated were in that ballpark.

The price for Switzerland was printed all on its own, on the back of the label: CHF 139.95. After adjusting for Swiss VAT, that's a markup of 114% on the standard EU price -- on top of the retail markup that was already included in that price!

The garment was made in Asia. The extra cost for Switzerland must be due to the immense additional distance it has to travel to get to shops here.

Looking forward to to the Swiss protectionism apologists explaining that one.
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Old 02.09.2012, 18:46
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My girlfriend just bought a pair of trousers in Konstanz. Handily, it had one of those pricing lables that provides the price in umpteen currencies, for numerous countries. The price, including VAT, was €59.95 (about CHF 72) in almost all EU countries, except Greece, where it was €65.95 (about CHF 79) (a bit tough on economically-teetering Greece, I thought). I haven't checked the exchange rate for all the other European countries listed on the label, but the ones I calculated were in that ballpark.

The price for Switzerland was printed all on its own, on the back of the label: CHF 139.95. After adjusting for Swiss VAT, that's a markup of 114% on the standard EU price -- on top of the retail markup that was already included in that price!

The garment was made in Asia. The extra cost for Switzerland must be due to the immense additional distance it has to travel to get to shops here.

Looking forward to to the Swiss protectionism apologists explaining that one.
No apology can explain this one, more people should do like what you did and move their shopping to neighbouring countries. We were in Konstanz also and everything we purchased was well under the swiss equivalent and thats before we subtract the VAT
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its just what the market will accept, people will happily that price.. i am not 1 of them!
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Ah yes...... 114%, but then don't yaw'll earn 114% more than the rest of Europe perhaps?
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Mainline bookshops need to stop adding massive margins and charge something realistic if they want to survive. The also need to realise that Amazon is their competition since if they don't they will be history.

For too long bookshops in Australia retained massive margins and thought yes people will always want to come in and feel and look at the books, WRONG! A number of global chains have now closed down there and many others try to blame the internet. Time for bookstores to provide a decent service and outperform places like Amazon only then can they consider charging higher prices. At the moment their higher prices are not reflected in the service offerings.

These comments are valid here in Switzerland where I only usually ever go to a store to look at a few books and then mostly I go and purchase it online somewhere else, they are simple too expensive.
O-F for ages was expensive but in recent months reduced its average price level remarkably. Looks as if some experts told that manager I mentioned wo dä Bartli dä Moscht holt
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Ah yes...... 114%, but then don't yaw'll earn 114% more than the rest of Europe perhaps?
Actually... no, we don't get paid 114% more than our counter-parts in Konstanz in our professions. 20%,30%, the lucky ones 40% or more so the price of that trouser IS Definitely worth shouting some anger out. My experince showed me more moderate differences but this one is indeed outrageous compared to what I usually see.
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The garment was made in Asia. The extra cost for Switzerland must be due to the immense additional distance it has to travel to get to shops here.

Looking forward to to the Swiss protectionism apologists explaining that one.
Protectionism isn't the issue here, it's simply skimming of buying power in Switzerland. It's apparently more profitable to sell a smaller quantity for a higher price than to sell more for a lower price.
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Ah yes...... 114%, but then don't yaw'll earn 114% more than the rest of Europe perhaps?
Yes, of course. All supermarket check-out operators in Switzerland earn at least CHF 90,000 p.a. and mid-level company managers, CHF 225,000. It's all milk and honey here in the land of Toblerone.

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Protectionism isn't the issue here, it's simply skimming of buying power in Switzerland. It's apparently more profitable to sell a smaller quantity for a higher price than to sell more for a lower price.
They're protecting their profit margins, at least ...
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Very well put!! This is just what happened in Australia and I see the swiss book shops are exactly in this category, all they care about is high prices and assume the customers will keep coming, well the news is that if the customers go elsewhere then it is the shops that killed themselves, don't go blaming the customers for going to a better more customer focussed business that is not stuck in the last century.
Go to shops like "Restsellers" (a OF subsidiary" ) or exLibris (a Migros subsidiary) or Weltbild http://www.weltbild.ch or the Travel Book Shop www.travelbookshop.ch and you willl see that the trade DID react to the challenge. I do not know what "service" you expect. I simply love NOT to be molested and be free to look at and into the books and do my personal considerations. The trade usually takes prices some 10% above Amazon.com as visiting customers in bookshops have the advantage of looking at the books personally and directly. I am using the Amazon WEBsite for professional reasons and know what advantages and weaknesses it has. Good bookshops ARE custumer focussed while Amazon is NOT . Again, that O-F as THE leading bookshop-company in this area needed two decades to adapt to the obvious challenge is bad.

And you speak about margins. Amazon has LARGER margins than most small bookshops as Amazon has traders rebates of between 50 and 70 percent while smaller bookshops have traders rebates of between 25 and 50 percent. And this very simply is reality. I do not say that you have to pay the difference but you cannot expect booktraders to work on ZERO percent margins
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Indeed even with delivery charges Amazon works out cheaper.
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My girlfriend just bought a pair of trousers in Konstanz. Handily, it had one of those pricing lables that provides the price in umpteen currencies, for numerous countries. The price, including VAT, was €59.95 (about CHF 72) in almost all EU countries, except Greece, where it was €65.95 (about CHF 79) (a bit tough on economically-teetering Greece, I thought). I haven't checked the exchange rate for all the other European countries listed on the label, but the ones I calculated were in that ballpark.

The price for Switzerland was printed all on its own, on the back of the label: CHF 139.95. After adjusting for Swiss VAT, that's a markup of 114% on the standard EU price -- on top of the retail markup that was already included in that price!

The garment was made in Asia. The extra cost for Switzerland must be due to the immense additional distance it has to travel to get to shops here.

Looking forward to to the Swiss protectionism apologists explaining that one.
But that is the price SET by those German bar-stewards !! It is NOT Swiss protectionism at all, it is the German attitude "Switzerland-Business is complicated, special forms are required, so we have to add 30%" And then those overpricing over-expensive German idiiots are astonished when Swiss traders buy certain German products via partners in the U.K. and save lots of money !!!! In case of doubt, you can purchase German products wholesale more cheaply via some traders in the USA and routing the stuff through partners in Miami.

Looking forward to some apologists for the Germans
who want to cheat

And if y<our are dimwitted enough to pay them this price it is absolutely YOUR fault
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Protectionism isn't the issue here, it's simply skimming of buying power in Switzerland. It's apparently more profitable to sell a smaller quantity for a higher price than to sell more for a lower price.
NO Sir, it was simply trying to cheat !!!! You have to realizse that it is just CHF 71.-- and as the VAT in Switzerland is only 8% it shoudl rather be CHF 65.-- and so those traders mentioned are CROOKS !!
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But that is the price SET by those German bar-stewards !! It is NOT Swiss protectionism at all, it is the German attitude "Switzerland-Business is complicated, special forms are required, so we have to add 30%" And then those overpricing over-expensive German idiiots are astonished when Swiss traders buy certain German products via partners in the U.K. and save lots of money !!!! In case of doubt, you can purchase German products wholesale more cheaply via some traders in the USA and routing the stuff through partners in Miami.

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who want to cheat

And if y<our are dimwitted enough to pay them this price it is absolutely YOUR fault
You've totally lost me. I wrote about an article of clothing that was priced uniformly across almost all of the EU, but priced by the manufacturer at more than double that price in Switzerland -- I didn't mention the Germans (except that the article was bought in Germany, one of the many EU countries where the price was lowest). How, exactly, did the thieving Germans manipulate the price of these trousers in Switzerland? I missed that bit.
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If you guys only knew how procurement is done in Switzerland.
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You've totally lost me. I wrote about an article of clothing that was priced uniformly across almost all of the EU, but priced by the manufacturer at more than double that price in Switzerland -- I didn't mention the Germans (except that the article was bought in Germany, one of the many EU countries where the price was lowest). How, exactly, did the thieving Germans manipulate the price of these trousers in Switzerland? I missed that bit.
Sorry but you said that it was the price in CHF ?? But you at the same time said it was the CHF price given in Germany ? or did you see the price in CHF you mentioned in Switzerland ?
- The Asian supplier does not know the retail price in Switzerland !
- The potential Swiss retailers never will reveal their selling prices to a German competitioner

So, please make up your mind
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If you guys only knew how procurement is done in Switzerland.
So, then tell us... or give a few hints at least...
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

The CH markup over EU prices has been written about in the local newspaper a few times. A manager of a leading company also said advertising costs twice as much as in the EU.
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

These days if I need something special I drive to Weil am Rhine or Lörrach and buy it there. I don't complain, and usually I don't claim the sales tax back. If the Swiss want to keep their prices high, then it's their business.

So why is everyone annoyed at high Swiss prices? You mostly all earn twice as much as the hard working Germans, and those poor devils don't have anywhere else to go to, as Poland is a bit too far for a pair of trousers! So please spare a thought for the poor German shop keepers, serving rich Swiss visitors all the time, and then seeing them all queuing up at the border to get the sales tax back from their Aldi shopping trip.
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Sorry but you said that it was the price in CHF ?? But you at the same time said it was the CHF price given in Germany ? or did you see the price in CHF you mentioned in Switzerland ?
- The Asian supplier does not know the retail price in Switzerland !
- The potential Swiss retailers never will reveal their selling prices to a German competitioner

So, please make up your mind
The same products With same tags in Spain show same prices mentioned by 22 yards.
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Sorry but you said that it was the price in CHF ?? But you at the same time said it was the CHF price given in Germany ? or did you see the price in CHF you mentioned in Switzerland ?
- The Asian supplier does not know the retail price in Switzerland !
- The potential Swiss retailers never will reveal their selling prices to a German competitioner

So, please make up your mind
There is at least one multinational clothing retailer which labels its products with price tags in multiple currencies, including CHF (maybe H&M?). This has nothing to do with their Asian supplier or a Swiss competitor.
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