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I never get molested at Amazon.co.uk . Seriously, I do enjoy a browse through a good bookstore and providing the price is not unreasonably excessive, I`ll usually buy something that catches my eye. However, the big advantage Amazon has over local booksellers is that the copies I receive from them are pristine, whilst in many bookshops it is often the case that there is only one or two copies of a book on the shelf and both copies (if not shrinkwrapped) have been pawed through and are, as a result, quite grubby...
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My biggest gripe with Amazon is their reluctance to batch everything into one box, but ship when they find it in their warehouses, this adds unneeded shipping costs (as small as they may be). And this is despite ticking the box "group into as few deliveries as possible" (or whatever the wording is).

If you know what you want, then Amazon is the best place to shop for books, DVDs and CDs (selection and price), if you want to be inspired then an old fashioned bookshop may be the ticket...
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

so what do you all complainers suggest? european/german prices still get retail enough money to pay salaries and all other cost to run the business and leave enough savings for investments etc.? i wonder that lidl and aldi dont differ much in their pricing compared to the other competitors? and believe me, aldi is on top of their game in dictating the price and could easily start some rumble in the protectionist jungle. do you think that politics stops them? is there a secret cartel dictating prices? i dont get how you think it all could get restructured, how prices should look like and most of all why these prices got that absurd and how a higher price can protect the ch market?

is it that when coop imports beef for 1.50chf out of a european country and would sell it at 2 chf that the swiss farmer that charges what? 22 chf/kg runs out of the business? yes, thats right! why does he charge so much? mööp, right! he has a higher salary and higher costs running the business. the machines he buys cost more, maintanance costs more, staff costs more, the vet care costs more (you guessed it: higher salary, etc)

maybe i dont know enough about economy but if i was a farmer, i think i wouldnt charge that much just for fun. i truely think there is a calculation behind that justifies the price beyond making huuuuuuge profits and putting up the middlefinger to all us customers for buying that crap.
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My biggest gripe with Amazon is their reluctance to batch everything into one box, but ship when they find it in their warehouses, this adds unneeded shipping costs (as small as they may be). And this is despite ticking the box "group into as few deliveries as possible" (or whatever the wording is).
TD, have you written to Amazon about this?

I always check 'as few deliveries as possible', and am only charged one standard delivery fee for the order - regardless of how many shipments it takes to complete the order. If the order can't be filled in one shipment, Amazon bears the additional delivery costs.

(We're talking .co.uk here - I don't think I've ever had an order from .de split into different deliveries.)
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There is at least one multinational clothing retailer which labels its products with price tags in multiple currencies, including CHF (maybe H&M?). This has nothing to do with their Asian supplier or a Swiss competitor.
Actually, I don't think they do that for reasons of efficiency but because it makes them look so international. For example when the Euro was introduced they stopped mentioning those Euro countries where they were cheaper than the country where the items was on display as they didn't want to anger their clients. So they actually custom print pretend international price tags for every country.
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But that is the price SET by those German bar-stewards !! It is NOT Swiss protectionism at all, it is the German attitude "Switzerland-Business is complicated, special forms are required, so we have to add 30%" And then those overpricing over-expensive German idiiots are astonished when Swiss traders buy certain German products via partners in the U.K. and save lots of money !!!! In case of doubt, you can purchase German products wholesale more cheaply via some traders in the USA and routing the stuff through partners in Miami.

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And if y<our are dimwitted enough to pay them this price it is absolutely YOUR fault
Unfortunately true.

As it's the importer (i.e. the producer) trying to practice price discrimination on a target in a tiny market supposed to accept quite every price.
And the thing that makes that extra profit possible is lower or equal overall unit costs in CH.
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Unfortunately true.

As it's the importer (i.e. the producer) trying to practice price discrimination on a target in a tiny market supposed to accept quite every price.
And the thing that makes that extra profit possible is lower or equal overall costs in CH.
Wrong, many times, selling to Switzerland costs more because it doesn't adhere to EU norms and the quantities are rather small compared to (most of) its neighboring countries. In addition, the Swiss shelving system in retail stores, often are smaller than EU shelfs and thus, a seller would have to adapt its shelving unit and this costs money too. Oftentimes, producers don't event bother with quoting prices to Swiss retailers for the aforementioned reasons.
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There is at least one multinational clothing retailer which labels its products with price tags in multiple currencies, including CHF (maybe H&M?). This has nothing to do with their Asian supplier or a Swiss competitor.
It has to do with themselves, if we are talking multinational retailer (as H&M, e.g.).

I doubt them to be so stupid to indicate double price for the same item in CH (and even more outside CH), unless the amount in CH is visibly depriced in sales action. Otherwise H&M would enhance Swiss purchases in D in both situations (CH label on trousers in German shop and Euro label in Swiss shop) and would lose its Swiss extra profit.

Btw, price indication can be a fake or attached to be cancelled with a pen by the retailer.
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Wrong, many times, selling to Switzerland costs more because it doesn't adhere to EU norms and the quantities are rather small compared to (most of) its neighboring countries.
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Can happen. But not so much more.

Furthermore, most European countries are even smaller than Switzerland.
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

In addition, the Swiss shelving system in retail stores, often are smaller than EU shelfs and thus, a seller would have to adapt its shelving unit and this costs money too.


So....200g jar of Nescafe coffee granules (Swiss company just to add insult to injury) is €5.70 at French Carrefour supermarket adjacent to Geneva. Lets be generous and use 1.25 CHF to 1 EUR. makes it CHF 7.13.

Price in Coop or Migros is CHF 14.45 after their savage price slashing from 14.90. Thats 103% higher in Suisse for the exact same jar of coffee.

And you think the shelving systems are different?

103% more for a jar of Swiss Brand coffee. Thieves springs to mind.
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In addition, the Swiss shelving system in retail stores, often are smaller than EU shelfs and thus, a seller would have to adapt its shelving unit and this costs money too.


So....200g jar of Nescafe coffee granules (Swiss company just to add insult to injury) is €5.70 at French Carrefour supermarket adjacent to Geneva. Lets be generous and use 1.25 CHF to 1 EUR. makes it CHF 7.13.

Price in Coop or Migros is CHF 14.45 after their savage price slashing from 14.90. Thats 103% higher in Suisse for the exact same jar of coffee.

And you think the shelving systems are different?

103% more for a jar of Swiss Brand coffee. Thieves springs to mind.

What makes us literally gasp when we go cross-border shopping [ironic that as 99% of the time it's the other way around - our carparks are full of VD, VS, FR, GE numberplates] we find the cost of fruit and veggies nothing short of horrendous. Good, so it all looks as though every item has been polished lovingly by hand and stacked oh so neatly, but normally speaking the price is often 3 times what we pay hereabouts. Just paid €1.79 for a kg of beautiful red peppers in Lidl Evian, whereas price last week in Migros for same item CHF4.95. No wonder there are so many CH shoppers round here.
PS: they all fill up their cars with fuel too!
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I doubt them to be so stupid to indicate double price for the same item in CH (and even more outside CH), unless the amount in CH is visibly depriced in sales action. Otherwise H&M would enhance Swiss purchases in D in both situations (CH label on trousers in German shop and Euro label in Swiss shop) and would lose its Swiss extra profit.

Btw, price indication can be a fake or attached to be cancelled with a pen by the retailer.
That's EXACTLY what H&M does, and the clothing line that I mentioned in my earlier post: they list the prices for multiple countries (pretty much every country in Europe) on one tag. Yes, customers can see and compare the prices for many countries, all together in one place (although, as I mentioned, li'l ol' Switzerland was all on its own, on the other side of the price tag).

I have visited H&M in Weil am Rhein (D) and in the Stücki Centre (Basel), about 2 km from each other. The shops use the same multi-country price tags and the Swiss shop charges way more than the German shop -- and it charges the CHF amount that appears on the price tags in both shops.

Of course, any customer can also check the H&M websites for D and CH to make the same price comparison -- check out the purple toddler's jacket in H&M in Germany (€24.95)and the identical one in Switzerland (CHF 39.90) -- mark-up/rip-off after adjusting for Swiss VAT: 47%. It's no secret that retailers charge more in Switzerland -- at least H&M and a few others (sOliver, for example) are ripping the Swiss off honestly and transparently.

I wish I'd taken note of H&M's Swiss prices three years ago, when the euro bought CHF 1.55. If they were similar, the rip-off was nowhere near as blatant -- only 14%.
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Ornages, apples, tomatoes and most other fresh veg produce all between 70 -250% more expensive in CH than France last weekend.

Must be the cost of polishing them after that treacherous 10 mile journey across the border!

Not so sure I'd fill the car with petrol, but there's not a lot in it......fuel seems to be the last refuge in the Swiss value-vacuum
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The same products With same tags in Spain show same prices mentioned by 22 yards.
It then obviously is the "UVP" (retail price recommended by the supplier) but it is NOT the actual retail prices. Unless the merchandise in Spain comes from Germany even if originally of Chinese origin. Swiss people who in such places buy at the "favourable" EURO prices may then see the same stuff in Zürich not at higher but at lower prices ! Why ? Because the Swiss importers pay far less VAT than the importers in either Spain or Germany. The real-estate prices in Spain now may be lower, but those in major German cities are not really low. And so, it is many factors. The CHF prices mentioned may be so in Jelmoli but only 60% of those in places like C&A or H&M. Go to those premises and check yourself and you will see that it is as I say !
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It then obviously is the "UVP" (retail price recommended by the supplier) but it is NOT the actual retail prices. Unless the merchandise in Spain comes from Germany even if originally of Chinese origin. Swiss people who in such places buy at the "favourable" EURO prices may then see the same stuff in Zürich not at higher but at lower prices ! Why ? Because the Swiss importers pay far less VAT than the importers in either Spain or Germany. The real-estate prices in Spain now may be lower, but those in major German cities are not really low. And so, it is many factors. The CHF prices mentioned may be so in Jelmoli but only 60% of those in places like C&A or H&M. Go to those premises and check yourself and you will see that it is as I say !
Real estate in Spain is definitely not lower with the crises. We were all hoping for it but didn't happen, at least not yet and it should have been already.
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Can happen. But not so much more.

Furthermore, most European countries are even smaller than Switzerland.
The neighbour countries with the exception of the Empire of Liechtenstein are NOT smaller. And the two big numbers of Switzerland in retail are small if compared to sizeable companies of Germany. If you look at the Interieur of Aldi/Lidl on one side, and Migros/Coop on the other, you will spot the difference. The two "classical" discounters say that the CH customer WANTS the "Möbel Pfister" stuff, while Aldi/Lidl say that the CH customers are quite content with how the merchandise is presented in their premises.
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Real estate in Spain is definitely not lower with the crises. We were all hoping for it but didn't happen, at least not yet and it should have been already.
Maybe because all the good real estate is already owned by Germans. Wait until the crisis hits Germany to buy cheap real estate in Spain?
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Maybe because all the good real estate is already owned by Germans. Wait until the crisis hits Germany to buy cheap real estate in Spain?
Actually our agency told us today she has many customers from Switzerland. So it doesn't look like prices will go down if swissies are coming to buy with big money.
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Actually our agency told us today she has many customers from Switzerland. So it doesn't look like prices will go down if swissies are coming to buy with big money.
I was in Uruguay some years back and was talking to a solicitor there who told me Swiss are buying up old farmhouses and converting them to posh villas. She said it's the Swiss who keep the up-market real estate agencies going.

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If you look at the Interieur of Aldi/Lidl on one side, and Migros/Coop on the other, you will spot the difference. The two "classical" discounters say that the CH customer WANTS the "Möbel Pfister" stuff, while Aldi/Lidl say that the CH customers are quite content with how the merchandise is presented in their premises.
It may surprise you that Aldi and Lidl actually spend more money on interior design than Migros and Coop. They want it to look cheap and they are prepared to spend big money to make it look cheap so the customer thinks he's in a spendthrift store. Lidl has teams of psychologists who advise the designers what shade of ugly yellow to pick for the floor so you think "cheap". But cheap it ain't.
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