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In addition, the Swiss shelving system in retail stores, often are smaller than EU shelfs and thus, a seller would have to adapt its shelving unit and this costs money too.


So....200g jar of Nescafe coffee granules (Swiss company just to add insult to injury) is €5.70 at French Carrefour supermarket adjacent to Geneva. Lets be generous and use 1.25 CHF to 1 EUR. makes it CHF 7.13.

Price in Coop or Migros is CHF 14.45 after their savage price slashing from 14.90. Thats 103% higher in Suisse for the exact same jar of coffee.

And you think the shelving systems are different?

103% more for a jar of Swiss Brand coffee. Thieves springs to mind.
Wal-Mart = revenues US$ 421'849 millions
Carrefour = revenues US$ 120'297 millions
Lidl = revenues US$ 82'400 millions
Aldi = revenues € 53'000 millions
Migros = revenues CHF 24'860 millions
Coop (CH) = revenues CHF 20'000 millions

Even without converting everything into either currency,
it is obvious that Carrefour, Lidl and Aldi play in another
league then the "smallish" Swiss companies.

Migros and Coop may have to work with the usual retailer wholesale rebate of between 30 and 50 % while the big ones will press out a traders rebate of between 55 and 70 % . In other words Mi-Coop pay about 60% of the supplier price and the others about 35% . In detail it of course depends on the merchandise. But the matter is self-evident.
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Spot on.

I really would like to use Orell Füssli but they make it very difficult to have any sympathy with.

Richard Ford's new book Canada was an example last month for me:
Orell Füssli - 48 CHF (£32)
Amazon UK £9.99
(both hardback edition)

I mean, come on Orell - you have got to be having a laugh.
Here the comparisons
Amazon € 16.95 = CHF 20.70
books.ch/O.-F = CHF 29.90
Weltbild & ex Libris = (both) CHF 24.90
Buchzentrum UVP (recommended retail price) CHF 24.90
Buchzentrum supposed NET-traders-price = CHF 17.45

I do not believe that O-F pays more than CHF 16.20 so that
a sales price of CHF 21.-- or 22.-- would mean a decent
margin, but to go up higher than CHF 25.-- simply is
rubbish
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Interesting points but I fail to see any justification for poor little Migros and Coop charging mopre than double the price for a consumer staple than a few miles away. There are even more glaring disparities with other items such as rice (€1.37 v CHF 3.75 per kilo for example).

How come home based chains in Ireland (population 1/10th that of the UK or less) can offer similar prices tothose in the larger neighbour?

Or why in Singapore (smaller than Suisse by about 40%) can up market Swiss chocolate which has been shipped 10,000kms in refrigerated conditions be bought in expensive department stores for less than in Migros or Coop? That one really beats me!
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Old 04.09.2012, 09:39
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Interesting points but I fail to see any justification for poor little Migros and Coop charging mopre than double the price for a consumer staple than a few miles away. There are even more glaring disparities with other items such as rice (€1.37 v CHF 3.75 per kilo for example).

How come home based chains in Ireland (population 1/10th that of the UK or less) can offer similar prices tothose in the larger neighbour?

Or why in Singapore (smaller than Suisse by about 40%) can up market Swiss chocolate which has been shipped 10,000kms in refrigerated conditions be bought in expensive department stores for less than in Migros or Coop? That one really beats me!
The point is NOT "justification", the point is reality. Realities that matter are not retailers in Singapore and Hongkong who can employ Malaysia/Indonesia labour in one case and mainland-PRC labour in the other, but neighbouring markets in Germany and other countries PLUS companies from those countries gradually moving in.

There is no ideal recipe of course, but Migros could push Denner into the German and French markets in order to widen the market position of the group. Globus might expand to Stuttgart, München, Strassburg, Mülhausen/Mulhouse and Dijon and Lyon.
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

I think there's clearly some sort of price fixing going on in addition to the standard excuse of higher labor and other overhead costs.

As the Euro value dropped, Migros and Coop (and pretty much everyone else) kept prices on EU goods the same, even though clearly their costs had gone down. Prime example in our house: Nutella. Consumers put pressure on the companies and eventually they did lower prices a bit.

...until last fall when SNB pegged the Franc to the Euro. Overnight the price went from CHF 3.00 per jar to 3.50. Did costs rise that much? Nope, but the stores felt they could justify returning to the old price because the Franc had devalued by pegging to the Euro. And the consumer could just deal. Crooks.
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Old 04.09.2012, 10:48
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Sometimes things just hit you in the eye.

Last week I bought a pack of 10*15cm HP photo paper for ink printers & it cost CHF8.68 for 25 sheets.

Last Saturday I was in Germany & looked in the local Aldi; they had a special offer of 10*15cm photo paper & it cost e3.99 for 150 sheets.

I know it was a special offer & the paper did not have the HP name but 10 times the price!
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Here the comparisons
Amazon € 16.95 = CHF 20.70
books.ch/O.-F = CHF 29.90
Weltbild & ex Libris = (both) CHF 24.90
Buchzentrum UVP (recommended retail price) CHF 24.90
Buchzentrum supposed NET-traders-price = CHF 17.45

I do not believe that O-F pays more than CHF 16.20 so that
a sales price of CHF 21.-- or 22.-- would mean a decent
margin, but to go up higher than CHF 25.-- simply is
rubbish
Aside from the fact that you have way too much time on your hands, I'm not sure what you are getting at - although I sincerely hope your not insinuating that I'm lying, Wolli?

The Swiss price I was quoting was from the sticker attached to the back of the copy I picked up in their B'hofstr. store. At the time, the book on Amazon UK was £8.54 (as it turns out looking at the invoice).
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Old 14.09.2012, 16:47
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i am wondering if any of you compared to his hometown/country is paying more for grocery/shopping in % here in switzerland? i mean if you were spending 15% of your salary on grocery back then, how much do you spend now?
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i am wondering if any of you compared to his hometown/country is paying more for grocery/shopping in % here in switzerland? i mean if you were spending 15% of your salary on grocery back then, how much do you spend now?
Then 10-15%. Now about 15-20%.

Of course that 10-15% inluded luxuries like decent meat, unrotten fruit and veg and meals out.
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Or why in Singapore (smaller than Suisse by about 40%) can up market Swiss chocolate which has been shipped 10,000kms in refrigerated conditions be bought in expensive department stores for less than in Migros or Coop? That one really beats me!
Well taxes primarily. Ever read a box that has been shipped from another country to the one you are staying in, that reads "For Export Only"? It's because, and it's not only Switzerland alone in this, each country adds a tax, and to ship it out to be sold abroad gets out of that tax. Also some companies will sell their goods for far less, to gain a little profit, and to be competitive to what is selling locally.

I don't know if I mentioned this before, but, for example, Budweiser, when not licensed, but brewed in the USA, and exported to Portugal, a few years back, was 70% less expensive in the big stores, then domestically at home. Similac, which is made in New York state, and not a pharmacutical, can be purchased across the border in Canada for 2/3rds less. Taxes and competition.
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

I pay for grocery 3x so much than at home, and I buy just the cheapest staff...
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Aside from the fact that you have way too much time on your hands, I'm not sure what you are getting at - although I sincerely hope your not insinuating that I'm lying, Wolli?

The Swiss price I was quoting was from the sticker attached to the back of the copy I picked up in their B'hofstr. store. At the time, the book on Amazon UK was £8.54 (as it turns out looking at the invoice).
Your're right. Rent on the bahnhoff is so cheap compared to anywhere in Switzerland, and the rest of the world. It's a wonder why they can't even sell it less then Amazon, who has a warehouse out in Where-ever'sville.
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Yes and more than 25 years ago, we had Swiss students to stay in our home when we lived in Perth [Oz]. Whilst showing them Fremantle market, one of them was astonished to see genuine Emmenthaler on sale for far less than it costs in CH [even had the red writing down the sides]. This after being shipped half way around the world. We can buy it cheaper here in France too.
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I pay for grocery 3x so much than at home, and I buy just the cheapest staff...
I as well. Yet, and I am sure of this, I make 3 times as much as I would back at home doing a manual labor job(I do a manual labor job btw). I make more money then my brother the electrical engineer, who is stradled with 150k in student loans in his 30's.
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Yes and more than 25 years ago, we had Swiss students to stay in our home when we lived in Perth [Oz]. Whilst showing them Fremantle market, one of them was astonished to see genuine Emmenthaler on sale for far less than it costs in CH [even had the red writing down the sides]. This after being shipped half way around the world. We can buy it cheaper here in France too.
Boats don't add too much to the price of anything. If it did, we wouldn't have Chinese goods to contend with.
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Ok everybody knows why prices are higher here: because the average Swiss (or resident in CH) CAN afford them. That's it.
And I guess eveybody knows why wages are so high here, that's it.
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Loads of people pop along to threads like this to basically say that "you get paid more here than you would back home" and "that's why things here cost more, because you can afford them".

Three points:

1. Not everyone here earns more than they would back home.

2. There are many Swiss who don't earn "expat" style salaries.

3. So what? If someone took a job here because of the high pay, and then gets screwed for everything they buy, then their main reason for coming here might have been negated.
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Loads of people pop along to threads like this to basically say that "you get paid more here than you would back home" and "that's why things here cost more, because you can afford them".
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Well yes, there is a link between the two; if the market couldn't afford some kind of prices, either the product would cost less or it wouldn't be offered.


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1. Not everyone here earns more than they would back home.
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Maybe not, but most of the users here do, yes. And why do you (and not only you) depict Switzerland as a prison? Isn't this a free country, and can't one choose a place to live where he likes?


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2. There are many Swiss who don't earn "expat" style salaries.
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True; but many of them know how and where to buy less expensive stuff, or they adapt lowering their living standard and - in the opposite to the dominant expat crowd - can accept that.

Anyhow not everything in CH is expensive, and some products are even less expensive than in the 2 super cheap trash quality countries Germany and the US.


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3. So what? If someone took a job here because of the high pay, and then gets screwed for everything they buy, then their main reason for coming here might have been negated.
Everyone has his own reasons. If one suffers in CH feeling to live in a kind of prison, maybe one should reconsiderate a place elsewhere.

Easy.
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Anyhow not everything in CH is expensive, and some products are even less expensive than in the 2 super cheap trash quality countries Germany and the US.


Easy.

Hey, ease up, it's Friday after all! I take offense to super cheap trash quality. I am not sure what you are trying to say. And, some of it isn't even super cheap. (oh, and BTW, if you know what you are doing, you can buy quality stuff in both those countries. Not sure if it would be eligible for a Swiss quality stamp...)
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Ok everybody knows why prices are higher here: because the average Swiss (or resident in CH) CAN afford them. That's it.
And I guess eveybody knows why wages are so high here, that's it.

Copied from The Local today's edition

Zurich has world's highest wages: study

Published: 14 Sep 2012 14:20 GMT+02:00
Updated: 14 Sep 2012 14:20 GMT+02:00





Oslo, Zurich and Tokyo are the world's most expensive cities, but it is in the Swiss financial capital that residents enjoy the strongest purchasing power, according to a study published Friday.
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