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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

For those looking for a city where you will pay similiar to Switzerland on groceries move to Sydney
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Old 14.09.2012, 19:45
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if the market couldn't afford some kind of prices, either the product would cost less or it wouldn't be offered.
You'd think so, wouldn't you?

But it seems that a lot of businesses here would rather sell a few things for a big profit than sell lots of things at a small profit. Maybe it's because they save on stock and storage costs, maybe they want to give the illusion of exclusivity and quality, maybe they prefer life without the complication of dealing with customers.

The exception seems to be the electronics guys, at first I'd say that it's because there's real competition out there, but then there's loads of competition in the restaurant sector but most of them seem happy to pay their staff to look at an empty room all night.

So who knows? I know nowt, I'm just a thick Yorkshire lad.
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Old 14.09.2012, 19:46
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And why do you (and not only you) depict Switzerland as a prison?
Find the phrase, or anything, in my post where I said that. And if you do, I'll just say that it's not what I meant
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Wal-Mart = revenues US$ 421'849 millions
Carrefour = revenues US$ 120'297 millions
Lidl = revenues US$ 82'400 millions
Aldi = revenues € 53'000 millions
Migros = revenues CHF 24'860 millions
Coop (CH) = revenues CHF 20'000 millions

Even without converting everything into either currency,
it is obvious that Carrefour, Lidl and Aldi play in another
league then the "smallish" Swiss companies.

Migros and Coop may have to work with the usual retailer wholesale rebate of between 30 and 50 % while the big ones will press out a traders rebate of between 55 and 70 % . In other words Mi-Coop pay about 60% of the supplier price and the others about 35% . In detail it of course depends on the merchandise. But the matter is self-evident.
Oh yes... poor coop and migros who have to deal with those multinationals being so small and charge them so much for the same goods... although that doesn't explain why Migros has more profits than Carrefour
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And why do you (and not only you) depict Switzerland as a prison?
Find the phrase, or anything, in my post where I said that. And if you do, I'll just say that it's not what I meant
OK, then sorry from my part;

what I meant was that it often sounds as if one were doomed to be condemned to live in Switzerland and if there were no choice.

With the big exception of some aspects in housing and schooling, and not considering for a moment the very big item of non-EU non-high flyers,

most of us can easily switch from one country to the other, not only bypassing all problems but making a profit out of them.

It's not that a Swiss or an EU national couldn't easily work in CH and sleep in EU and viceversa, doing their grocery shopping where it is cheaper, order on-line or to a German address or whatever, paying taxes only in CH (or avoiding them at all).

I am aware that not every person has this choice to the same extend (based upon nationality and the settling area of course, for some goods), but most of us (and most of the complainers here) have.
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

1) I think other posts answered to that. And I would add that the GDP pro head here is among the highest in the world.
2) The average counts, not the extremities of the Gaussian
3) If here you earn 3-4 times what you get at "home" and cost of living is double (or not if you shop say in Germany) still is more convenient, it just takes a calculator. And in absolute value what you can save here every month is much higher.

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Loads of people pop along to threads like this to basically say that "you get paid more here than you would back home" and "that's why things here cost more, because you can afford them".

Three points:

1. Not everyone here earns more than they would back home.

2. There are many Swiss who don't earn "expat" style salaries.

3. So what? If someone took a job here because of the high pay, and then gets screwed for everything they buy, then their main reason for coming here might have been negated.
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Old 15.09.2012, 16:23
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1) If here you earn 3-4 times what you get at "home"
A 3-4 times as much? Really? Then you were severely underpaid wherever you came from.

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Old 15.09.2012, 18:50
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ok some of you pay 3x more, but how much % from your salary was it and is it now? from my experience and what i hear from others, friends living all over the world the %age is roughly the same. compared munich 10-12% to zurich where i pay 10-15%. the 5% more is the meat, but i ever eat meat rarely so maybe thats a huge difference to others. eating out is not included, there its 25-50% depending if kebap or a decent (3course)meal. but i can say that i earn net double and can safe more than i did in germany. it doesnt bother me really...
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Old 15.09.2012, 20:09
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A 3-4 times as much? Really? Then you were severely underpaid wherever you came from.
And you don't know the reality of southern or eastern Europe. Pretty common I would add.
Yes 3 times.
And I imagine that for a Greek or a guy from Poland this could go up to 5 times or 6.
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ok some of you pay 3x more, but how much % from your salary was it and is it now? from my experience and what i hear from others, friends living all over the world the %age is roughly the same. compared munich 10-12% to zurich where i pay 10-15%. the 5% more is the meat, but i ever eat meat rarely so maybe thats a huge difference to others. eating out is not included, there its 25-50% depending if kebap or a decent (3course)meal. but i can say that i earn net double and can safe more than i did in germany. it doesnt bother me really...
Well, things ARE expensive here, but to use the words of JFK "we never had to build a wall up to prevent people from leaving us "
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Old 15.09.2012, 23:54
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"we never had to build a wall up to prevent people from leaving us "
And, then came FATCA!

(top THAT, dude!)

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Old 16.09.2012, 07:28
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And, then came FATCA!
... which doesn't affect most expats in Switzerland. Even in the dark south.
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... which doesn't affect most expats in Switzerland. Even in the dark south.
Exactly. Well put
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

its rip off in switzerland. I bought a back support belt costed 180chf...saw last week for 50 Euros in France just across border. Bought Blood Pressure machine 160Chf...same model in france 40Euros.....surely absurd
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its rip off in switzerland. I bought a back support belt costed 180chf...saw last week for 50 Euros in France just across border. Bought Blood Pressure machine 160Chf...same model in france 40Euros.....surely absurd
Well seems you can afford it and you made the choice to buy the more expensive version so whats the problem?
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Now, can somebody explain me why The Economist, whose pages are all printed by the same company in The Netherlands, costs €5.80 in the eurozone and CHF10 (€8) in Switzerland? almost 40% more expensive in a country where the VAT is even lower, is it really that much expensive to transport these pages to Geneva instead of Italy, Greece or Portugal from The Netherlands?

Why do Swiss accept this treatment?
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Now, can somebody explain me why The Economist, whose pages are all printed by the same company in The Netherlands, costs €5.80 in the eurozone and CHF10 (€8) in Switzerland? almost 40% more expensive in a country where the VAT is even lower, is it really that much expensive to transport these pages to Geneva instead of Italy, Greece or Portugal from The Netherlands?

Why do Swiss accept this treatment?
It might be. I know a horse rancher in Piedmonte, that has to drive around Switzerland when taking his horses to Germany or more north. When he returns to Italy, he drives, horse free thru the CH.

It certainly costs more to ship a newspaper within Switzerland, then it does for me to ship the same news paper from France to the USA.
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The Economist costs €5.80???!!!! It's just a newspaper!
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Particularly when the info is available online for free its already overpriced at 5.80euro !
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Well I like reading on paper and anyway often the articles in the internet are not the full versions of them.
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