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Old 16.09.2012, 18:12
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The Economist costs €5.80???!!!! It's just a newspaper!
It's not called "The Economist" for nothing, eh?
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Old 16.09.2012, 19:02
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Now, can somebody explain me why The Economist, whose pages are all printed by the same company in The Netherlands, costs €5.80 in the eurozone and CHF10 (€8) in Switzerland? almost 40% more expensive in a country where the VAT is even lower, is it really that much expensive to transport these pages to Geneva instead of Italy, Greece or Portugal from The Netherlands?

Why do Swiss accept this treatment?
The price is the same as 10 years ago, at the time the prices matched, sales will not increase by dropping the price which is why they don't!
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Old 16.09.2012, 19:05
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its rip off in switzerland. I bought a back support belt costed 180chf...saw last week for 50 Euros in France just across border. Bought Blood Pressure machine 160Chf...same model in france 40Euros.....surely absurd
Seen blood pressure machines in Germany & France for under 20 euro! The reason the price is high in CH is to test if the machine is working
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Old 16.09.2012, 20:43
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Okay, so, some have said that prices aren't higher here because costs are higher (or maybe they said that the price vs cost difference doesn't bear out equally... anyhow)...

Some seem to be saying that it's not "fair" for the prices to be so high just because some people earn more here, there are others of us who earn normal Swiss wages...

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I'm curious how many in THIS thread complain about the prices of things even though they ARE taking home much more than they would have for the same position "back home"?

(For me, if I were able to earn Optiker wages here (a "measly" 100k to 120k chf), I certainly wouldn't be quibbling over paying nearly 4chf for my favorite bag of chips the way I do now. )
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Old 16.09.2012, 20:50
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

I am also curious as to how many on here complain about the swiss price but then pay it thereby contributing to the sustained behaviour WHEN these same people have the choice to wait and visit a neighbouring cheaper country.

We certainly dont complain instead we head straight to germany or england or amazon and contribute to tose economies rather then continue to prop up the higher prices.

Many on this thread who complain have the choice to wait or to buy elsewhere but they seem to be prepared to pay the higher price. Hence their complaints seem simply to be noise
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Old 16.09.2012, 21:11
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I know a horse rancher in Piedmonte, that has to drive around Switzerland when taking his horses to Germany or more north. When he returns to Italy, he drives, horse free thru the CH.
Well, he is of course taking items across international borders, so where's the problem?

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Old 16.09.2012, 21:13
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I am also curious as to how many on here complain about the swiss price but then pay it thereby contributing to the sustained behaviour WHEN these same people have the choice to wait and visit a neighbouring cheaper country.
Reality is that the neighboring country isn't cheaper.

More options, sure, but cheaper, no.

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Old 16.09.2012, 21:18
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Reality is that the neighboring country isn't cheaper.

More options, sure, but cheaper, no.

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Not for you maybe, but for me it sure is.

I used to spend 200+ chf per week on groceries for just hubby and I, without any "extras" at all. Now I do my major weekly shop in Germany (courtesy of ride with m-i-l) for roughly 60chf - which leaves us with 140chf per week for "extras".

Of course, the drawback to that is that now hubby and I BOTH could stand to lose a few kilos, instead of just me.
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Old 16.09.2012, 21:20
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Reality is that the neighboring country isn't cheaper.

More options, sure, but cheaper, no.

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Tom, you've stated often that Italian prices (at least in the vicinity of the Ticinisi border) aren't markedly different from Swiss prices -- and you may well be right. But I assure you, from personal and frequent experience, that €80 fills twice as many Marktkauf or Casino shopping bags than CHF 100 does Cogros bags. And that's before the MWSt/TVA refund (10-15% of the total bill, depending on the ratio of food to non-food items) -- and yes, with a great deal more choice, too.
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Old 16.09.2012, 21:22
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Not for you maybe, but for me it sure is.

I used to spend 200+ chf per week on groceries for just hubby and I, without any "extras" at all. Now I do my major weekly shop in Germany (courtesy of ride with m-i-l) for roughly 60chf - which leaves us with 140chf per week for "extras".

Of course, the drawback to that is that now hubby and I BOTH could stand to lose a few kilos, instead of just me.
So, Germany is cheaper for you, but Italy is not cheaper for me.

Heck, I even bring stuff to Italy because it's cheaper here!

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Old 16.09.2012, 21:25
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so, germany is cheaper for you, but italy is not cheaper for me.
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tom, you've stated often that italian prices (at least in the vicinity of the ticinisi border) aren't markedly different from swiss prices
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Old 16.09.2012, 21:30
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That's weird -- the sentences I just quoted above lost their capitalisation ... I'll report that to a moderator.
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Old 16.09.2012, 21:32
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Selection/choices is the main driver for us shopping in Germany. Cost savings os right after. The fact that we are moving on Tuesday to a village roughly 1km away from DE border and nearest Coop/Migros is the same distance away as Edeka/Penny/Lidl/Aldi will more than likely dominate going forward. Larger purchases, services etc I always give Swiss vendor opportunity to beat/match/come closer to offer from accross border. Sometimes it works but most if the time it does not and I end up giving biz to the Krauts. I don't like it but hey... it is my money and I decide how I spend it
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Reality is that the neighboring country isn't cheaper.

More options, sure, but cheaper, no.

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Tom - In which case you are no worse off in Switzerland so I guess you are a happy camper, for those of us living close to germany its certainly worth the cross border visits. Even last night we slipped across to have a restaurant meal which involved a massive 15min trip and the restaurant car park was 100% Swiss number plates so the germans are not complaining
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Not for you maybe, but for me it sure is.

I used to spend 200+ chf per week on groceries for just hubby and I, without any "extras" at all. Now I do my major weekly shop in Germany (courtesy of ride with m-i-l) for roughly 60chf - which leaves us with 140chf per week for "extras".

Of course, the drawback to that is that now hubby and I BOTH could stand to lose a few kilos, instead of just me.
Well yes if is that kind of amount spent per week then it is worth the trip. For families it is probably really adding up to a lot.
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And, then came FATCA!

(top THAT, dude!)

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A set of ugly laws, true, but not a hindrance to anybody who wants to get out. But I would suggest that US Americans in Switzerland have their accounts only with banks who have neither operations nor rep-offices in the USA. Details about all this is what I leave to people who really understand the banking/taxation business
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its rip off in switzerland. I bought a back support belt costed 180chf...saw last week for 50 Euros in France just across border. Bought Blood Pressure machine 160Chf...same model in france 40Euros.....surely absurd
Such differences are normal. You can get the same gym shoes which at Ochsner cost CHF 180.-- for CHF 40.-- at Dosenbach. A special ceramic thing which was about CHF 80.-- in Dijon we had to forget as shops were closed in Dijon on that day. We then bought the same article in St. Helier /Jersey for CHF 25.-- . Articles which are sold in Zürich for CHF 50.-- can be bought in places like Schaffhausen, Winterthur and Rapperswil for CHF 30.-- . Articles which cost CHF 50.-- on Bahnhofstrasse or Limmatquai only cost CHF 35.-- on Löwenstrasse or somewhere in the suburbs. Articles which cost CHF 40.-- in PAris can be purchased for CHF 20 to 25 in places like Rennes and Strassburg.

My guess is that the back-support-belt would cost CHF 220 in Paris and the blood pressure machine would cost CHF 190 in Paris.

Wines in Geneva are 30% cheaper than in Zürich, but many things in Zürich are 30% less expensive than in Geneva. A cousin of me, she for years, until her too early death at about 60, often came to Zürich doing shopping. She had grown up to the age of 8 in Budapest (1945) but in the late 80ies lived in Wien (sim. translator at the U.N. for German-English-French-Hungarian-Russian-Italian) for a bit more than a year and always praised shopping there. She however was not too much impressed by the French neighbourhood of Geneva.

Germans living just north of the CH border get over into Switzerland to fill the tanks of their cars and to purchase cigarettes. A chap from Konstanz once told me that he due to some laws could not do the purchase in Kreuzlingen or Schaffhausen but without problems in Zürich.

Or look to Britain. Lots of things are cheaper in places like Alton/Lasham or Bournemouth or Exeter or Plymouth or Bristol or Newcastle or Edinburgh.

Go to Israel. Better buy wine in VAT-excempt Eilat than in Tel Aviv (a difference of 30%).
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The Economist costs €5.80???!!!! It's just a newspaper!
I would NOT describe it as a newspaper. To me it is a news-magazine.
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So, Germany is cheaper for you, but Italy is not cheaper for me.

Heck, I even bring stuff to Italy because it's cheaper here!

Tom
North of the CH border you are in deep German province but south of the CH border you are in the economic powerhouse of Italy. I am perfectly sure that prices already in the Toscana are clearly lower than in Lombardia. Not to speak about Calabria or Apulia etc.
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I would NOT describe it as a newspaper. To me it is a news-magazine.
Slightly off topic, but:

You may NOT call The Economist a newspaper, Wolli, but The Economist itself does. See Google search result and the impressum of The Economist's website, below. And it still costs €5.80!!!
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