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As an Aussie living here for almost 20 years here, I am really tired of hearing the moans and groans of Expats, coming here, taking the great salaries , enjoying the life style, stability and security(how many children walk to school in safety as mine did all their school life here!!) and then slagging off at costs way of life etc......go back to where you came from please if you feel that's better or just SHUT UP and enjoy your life!!!!!!
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As an Aussie living here for almost 20 years here, I am really tired of hearing the moans and groans of Expats, coming here, taking the great salaries , enjoying the life style, stability and security(how many children walk to school in safety as mine did all their school life here!!) and then slagging off at costs way of life etc......go back to where you came from please if you feel that's better or just SHUT UP and enjoy your life!!!!!!
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As an Aussie living here for almost 20 years here, I am really tired of hearing the moans and groans of Expats, coming here, taking the great salaries , enjoying the life style, stability and security(how many children walk to school in safety as mine did all their school life here!!) and then slagging off at costs way of life etc......go back to where you came from please if you feel that's better or just SHUT UP and enjoy your life!!!!!!
As an Aussie living here since 5 years...

Look at the thread title..... you no like..... DON'T F****N READ THE THREAD !!!

This is a forum and mate not all of us earn fantastic money. I earnt more back home with half the hassle. My wife is Swiss and we live here for the experience. Doesn't mean it's all a giant fairytale. For some of us it helps to vent every now and then.... Part of being human I reckon...

By the way, next time try introducing yourself instead of just coming out with all guns blazing. We like to think of ourselves as a community....

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As an Aussie living here since 5 years...
Don't come back unless you want a rude surprise then. The cost of living in Australia has skyrocketed since you left.
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Old 28.12.2012, 12:58
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They joined the forum just over three years ago and this is their first post. Obviously a very, very slow typist. Hope to get a response at the end of 2015.
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Don't come back unless you want a rude surprise then. The cost of living in Australia has skyrocketed since you left.
I agree. We have been away from Oz 13 years and see that our cost of living is less here.
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Don't come back unless you want a rude surprise then. The cost of living in Australia has skyrocketed since you left.
Yeah we noticed that on our trip to Melbourne last April. However Restaurants is another story... China Town, yum cha for breakfast... I was in heaven...

But you're right. Coles and woolies was just downright insulting with the prices there. Though Victoria Markets was quite good value and across for our apartment was an Aldi, very convenient. Don't even get me started on the housing prices....
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Old 28.12.2012, 16:08
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Don't come back unless you want a rude surprise then. The cost of living in Australia has skyrocketed since you left.
You are obviously living in a dream cause aussie land is now more expensive then here especially if you count in the ability to jump to germany where it is even cheaper.
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You are obviously living in a dream cause aussie land is now more expensive then here especially if you count in the ability to jump to germany where it is even cheaper.
That was kind of my point. I lived in Zurich for ~2 years starting in 2008 and the higher cost of living there even from Sydney was noticable. Now I'm back living in Australia and I suspect that apart from a few notable exceptions like beef, it costs more to live here in Brisbane than it did in Zurich. Especially when I think about things that are dramatically cheaper there, like alcohol.

At least we can still buy things that we don't need immediately from the US and UK and save the 30-60% local retailers/importers/whoever like to mark up. Though who knows how much longer that will last - the "remove the $1000 GST exemption" calls from local sellers are becoming louder and more frequent.
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

It's true that Swiss prices are generally very high but then so are wages - across the board but especially for the sorts of skilled jobs that many foreigners immigrate in order to do.

Relative to what you are likely to earn, it's not that much more expensive to live in Switzerland.

Plus, one of the good things about being in a high salary/high cost environment is that there are always opportunities to reduce your costs and get more benefit from your higher pay. If you are in a low salary/low cost environment then your options are a lot more limited.

Another good thing is that prices tend to be very stable - or at least they were when I lived in Zuerich. Try living somewhere like the UK where it seems the cost of everything is rocketing at the moment yet your pay isn't really increasing much, if at all.

What is painful is coming back to visit/holiday when your income is now in GB Pounds which is worth about 60% of what it was 6/7 years ago relative to the Franc.
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Not that I want to even pretend to defend some of the "WTF?" pricing here, don't forget that the social and economic structure in Switzerland means that many businesses take on school leavers as apprentices to work in their stores. So even though they may be charging you xx% over their Euro competitors, they are creating new jobs and spreading the income generated with more earners which contributes to Switzerland's unemployment levels being amongst the lowest in Europe and also has young people contributing earlier to pension schemes etc.

I will generally pay Swiss prices if they're within a 10-15% range of US or German pricing, otherwise, Amazon and co get my business, apprentices or not.
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That's a good point, I'm even willing to pay say 20-30% more and for some stuff it's worth it (better quality, e.g. fruit and vegetables which I only buy in CH). However, when it costs 2x or sometimes 3x, I just feel like we're being ripped off.
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Not that I want to even pretend to defend some of the "WTF?" pricing here, don't forget that the social and economic structure in Switzerland means that many businesses take on school leavers as apprentices to work in their stores. So even though they may be charging you xx% over their Euro competitors, they are creating new jobs and spreading the income generated with more earners which contributes to Switzerland's unemployment levels being amongst the lowest in Europe and also has young people contributing earlier to pension schemes etc.

I will generally pay Swiss prices if they're within a 10-15% range of US or German pricing, otherwise, Amazon and co get my business, apprentices or not.
When I first moved into my apartment, I got a letter out of the blue stating that the electrics (sockets, light fittings, etc.) had to go through some sort of mandatory check by a qualified electrician.

As I was new in Switzerland, I asked a Swiss colleague what it was about. He frowned and mumbled something about being made to pay for something that wasn't really necessary.

Anyway, I left my key with the electrician's shop so the job could be done whilst I was at work. When I got home, I noticed one unused light fitting had been secured away.

A week later I got a bill for almost 300 francs and it included the hours for both the electrician and his/her apprentice.

Well and good that Swiss businesses take on apprentices when their training is being paid for by the customer.
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Relative to what you are likely to earn, it's not that much more expensive to live in Switzerland.
True if you think: I earn 30% more than homecountry, grocery is 30% more expensive, so it's equal in proportion and I win in absolute numbers.

But it's not the way people are. They think: I earn 30% more than homecountry so I'm richer and I want to see it! So no way I get exactly the same life style than homecountry. Hence Swiss prices are too high to make people feel richer. This is in contradiction with the point above and here we go: Swiss prices must be absurd, quod erat demonstrandum.

I buy quite a few things in Germany regularly and dental care is definitely more than 30% more expensive than Germany, so I am really not blaming anybody.
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True if you think: I earn 30% more than homecountry, grocery is 30% more expensive, so it's equal in proportion and I win in absolute numbers.
Not entirely the thought process behind the thinking that der Schweiz is frightfully expensive, it's that feeling that you've been savagely rogered over and over and over again for the simple things in life. Take pizza, for example. I can get 2 medium pizzas (forget the size but they'll feed 2-3 people) for under 25 bucks in the US. In der Schweiz, it's about 25 chf per pizza which will feed 1 hungry person or 2 not so hungry girls. Add 5-10 chf if you want delivery. I remember going out to dinner to a pizza joint with the in-laws, 4 small pizzas, 1 child drink, some water and 1 beer cost something like 150 CHF.

It's the 2x, 3x, 5x, and 10x price hikes that make Manhattan look like a bargain on a good day which gives folks such pain as, even with the 30% hike in salary, unless you shop in DE, you're not going to see the same sort of lifestyle, etc.
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I can get 2 medium pizzas (forget the size but they'll feed 2-3 people) for under 25 bucks in the US. In der Schweiz, it's about 25 chf per pizza which will feed 1 hungry person or 2 not so hungry girls. Add 5-10 chf if you want delivery.
Depends where you live, CHF 25 for two around here, delivered.

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Not entirely the thought process behind the thinking that der Schweiz is frightfully expensive.
It isn't indeed. What you were looking for is in the other part of my message:

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Take pizza, for example. I can get 2 medium pizzas (forget the size but they'll feed 2-3 people) for under 25 bucks in the US. In der Schweiz, it's about 25 chf per pizza which will feed 1 hungry person or 2 not so hungry girls. Add 5-10 chf if you want delivery. I remember going out to dinner to a pizza joint with the in-laws, 4 small pizzas, 1 child drink, some water and 1 beer cost something like 150 CHF.
You're referring to the secret "Salad Dodgers Surcharge Tax" for those Swiss families who choose to eat junk food of course. Thanks for clearing that up, and shhhh ....!
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You're referring to the secret "Salad Dodgers Surcharge Tax" for those Swiss families who choose to eat junk food of course. Thanks for clearing that up, and shhhh ....!
pizza as junk food?!!?

i can agree on the domino's style pizza, but a nice margherita (italian made) is one of the healthiest meal you can have.
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