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Old 18.01.2013, 19:36
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And how much do you think that crap costs in Slovakia?
Out of what I in the past have seen in Czechia and Hungary, my guess would be CHF -.20 or even CHF -.10 ---- THIS is why Swiss companies set up production sites in countries of the former Eastern Block
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That's why I call it purely culture shock reaction of OP. The price of an European brand product will sell at least 20% more in Mainland China. That explains why Asian tourists come to Europe and America to shop. People certainly buying stuff on Bahnhofstrasse shops as to OP wondered it. Yeah, fortunately I am coming from Beijing, so I know how bad it is.

You are suprised by the fact that different prices in a different countries?----I call it Culture Shock~
That's different from what's being discussed here (apples to oranges) and has a transparent reason: Import Tax. The PRC government's policy on foreign imports especially luxury goods is publicly known.
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Old 22.01.2013, 07:14
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New here I guess since buying meat in the USA to bring here and compare is just crazy. First the meat here is most from NZ where they dont pump it full of steroids and second you are comparing the cost then you need to add the airfare to the US price so that automatically adds 500CHF to the price whereas a trip to Germany for many here is less then 30 mins in a car and comparable to going to local shops. In my case german shops are only 15 mins away
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Old 22.01.2013, 20:32
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cut..I am perfectly sure that prices already in the Toscana are clearly lower than in Lombardia. Not to speak about Calabria or Apulia etc.
Toscana isn't cheaper than Lombardia but the comparision works

what is driving me carzy about prizes policy in Ch is the awful myth of swiss quality indiscriminately applied to "made in china" products. The same available just around the state limit corner (in Italy or France) at half price. And true swiss people still buy here still believing in the easter bunny..

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Old 23.01.2013, 02:39
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Toscana isn't cheaper than Lombardia but the comparision works

what is driving me carzy about prizes policy in Ch is the awful myth of swiss quality indiscriminately applied to "made in china" products. The same available just around the state limit corner (in Italy or France) at half price. And true swiss people still buy here still believing in the easter bunny..

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Hugh? What are you buying with the Swiss quality label? I buy some apples that say Made in Switzerland/Swiss Quality on them, I just know where they are coming from. What myth are you talking about? I certainly know if someone in metallurgy purchases a Swiss made alloy, it IS a quality item. So are their engineering and pharmaceutical R&D. So are the many industrial machines and chemicals produced here.

Oh are you talking about garlic? Or Wine? Which tastes depend on a matter of opinion? Which state limit are you referring to, Utah? And I am curious what you are finding is half the price in Italy from Ticino...gas? I know that isn't true. Food? Hardly. Some couch assembled in China, probably.

And France...some things are cheaper, some things are actually more expensive, like technology. Maybe in Poland things are half the price then here, but not Italy and France.

The Swiss Quality Label is reserved for products that manufacturing originate in Switzerland. Chocolate, for example, has products that come from outside of Switzerland, but are assembled here. By people that get paid a quadrillion times more then the average laborer in China. Something made in Switzerland has to be noted, like anywhere in the world.

In the USA you will find labels that some time say "Made with Pride in the USA". All they need to say is Made in The USA. But I wait for the day any country in the world will label itself as USA Crap or Swiss Crap. Saying that you don't believe in Swiss Quality, is saying you also believe the quality of work that you do for the Swiss company you work for is low as well. How is it right for one person working in Switzerland, who enjoys the higher rate of pay here, say it is not just that anyone gets a higher rate of pay? When we all have a decent standard of living, then the prices are always more expensive.

The guy in China making 30 cents an hour isn't going to be living in a 3.5 bedroom apartment, with under the floor heating, with a decent medical system, with an awesome public transport system, eating meat more then once month, having any form of entertainment, being able to make savings, and so on...so he builds a couch for 10 dollars, and they ship it to Italy, where the EU has free trade agreements with China that allows them to dump on the EU markets. And then they ship the same couch to Switzerland, and what? Sell it for the same price in Italy? While their are furniture makers here, paying salaries to people that are so much more? There has to be some protection from this kind of price dumping. And this quality of life.

Unless of course you want to live like the average Chinese laborer in the long run. Then, trust me, eventually, you won't even be able to afford that Chinese made couch.
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Old 23.01.2013, 03:56
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Obviously I'm not talking about "typicalities" or top class industrial products those are not expensive considering the "real" quality.
I'm talking about tons of high diffusion items such i.e crappy diy tools, kitchen equipment, pseudo-hi-tech sportswear, lamps, pseudo military gear an so on, boxed with misleading brands such "swiss tec", "swiss this and that" and overpriced. Nothing more

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Hugh? What are you buying with the Swiss quality label?
I think his point was more that the overall higher prices in Switzerland are frequently justified as being down to "Swiss quality" - in a colloquial, rather than trademarked, sense - even for goods that are most certainly not produced in Switzerland.
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I think his point was more that the overall higher prices in Switzerland are frequently justified as being down to "Swiss quality" - in a colloquial, rather than trademarked, sense - even for goods that are most certainly not produced in Switzerland.

such as the bananas in coop with the swiss quality sign and occasional sticker
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

The higher Swiss quality of living has often unfortunate side effects.
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Old 24.01.2013, 20:56
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Obviously I'm not talking about "typicalities" or top class industrial products those are not expensive considering the "real" quality.
I'm talking about tons of high diffusion items such i.e crappy diy tools, kitchen equipment, pseudo-hi-tech sportswear, lamps, pseudo military gear an so on, boxed with misleading brands such "swiss tec", "swiss this and that" and overpriced. Nothing more

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Nothing more...but you said Swiss Quality. It is an actual label...I am sure you have seen it before. Not that I am saying I don't believe you, but show me an example, from a real company that is labeling their stuff is Swiss and it is from China? I know this exists, but that is marketing.

I know when I go to Walmart, where there isn't a store in America with more American flags in such a confined space, but probably 80 or 90% of products come from China. Personally speaking, I almost never buy anything at all except for hanging ducks and chili paste from China Town. But that's what Walmart is, a Red White and Blue China Town.

I know this, I get it. Wave as many Chinese flags and you have no customers. And I am guessing your point is, that some companies try to sell themselves as Swiss, when the products are actually made in China. But what you said is, that Swiss products with the Swiss Quality label are sub par, and you can get the same thing in Italy, for half the price.

Which, I'm sorry, but no.

If you can read the label like everyone else, then you know it is in fact not the same.
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Nothing more...but you said Swiss Quality. It is an actual label...I am sure you have seen it before. Not that I am saying I don't believe you, but show me an example, from a real company that is labeling their stuff is Swiss and it is from China? I know this exists, but that is marketing.

I know when I go to Walmart, where there isn't a store in America with more American flags in such a confined space, but probably 80 or 90% of products come from China. Personally speaking, I almost never buy anything at all except for hanging ducks and chili paste from China Town. But that's what Walmart is, a Red White and Blue China Town.

I know this, I get it. Wave as many Chinese flags and you have no customers. And I am guessing your point is, that some companies try to sell themselves as Swiss, when the products are actually made in China. But what you said is, that Swiss products with the Swiss Quality label are sub par, and you can get the same thing in Italy, for half the price.

Which, I'm sorry, but no.

If you can read the label like everyone else, then you know it is in fact not the same.
That's not what they said - read it again, it was actually quite clear.
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As part of my general New Years health drive, I picked up 120 Omega 3 fish oil tablets in the local Apoteke:

80 chfs for 120 capsules

Have never bought them before but thought it a bit steep. Price online in Germany for the same thing... 12 Euros

When will I learn !
Wow, even 12 euros sounds quite a lot. If you're ever in the UK, go to Boots.

What stuns me is the difference in painkiller prices. You can get ibuprofen for 39p per 16 in the UK, but it s CHF 12 here (something to do with patents and generics). At least that's something easy to stock up on.
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take them back if not opened.......

i checked for some vit C tablets in my local friendly apoteke.. 20 chf for a tube was the answer with a glint in her eye.

€2 euro at the apoteke in germany
Although Migros sells vitamin C (and zinc) too for a good deal less. I think Apothekes in general are a bit ridiculous here.
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It's the same reason in the USA pain killers wether over the counter or prescription are so expensive, when in Canada they are so much less.
Painkillers in the USA are expensive ?

Maybe it's just because I'm coming from Australia these days, but ~$15 or so for a couple of hundred Advil seems pretty cheap.
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Just saw a car I personally went to view put up on autoscout by a dealer. Looks like the dealer bought it and is now selling it. Asking price when I saw the car: 15000 (but would have gone down, as the person selling it told me he got offers for 12000, the car itself was a lemon). Asking price now by the dealer, 19000.
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We went for shopping in Germany for the first time. It was obviously packed with swiss. Can't blame them though. We shopped food for 100 EUR, which Most likely would have cost 3 Times more in Zürich. We then finished off eating Sushi "all you can eat" 25 EUR!!
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

I myself happen to often make incursions to germany for goods. It is undeniably cheaper, and if you shop under 300chf, it gets even cheaper since you can get the german vat back.

Personally, many of my baby stuff was bought in germany. usually 30 to 50% cheaper.
Prices in switzerland got stuck in time when euro was stronger, and suppliers "forgot" to update their prices.
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We went for shopping in Germany for the first time. It was obviously packed with swiss. Can't blame them though. We shopped food for 100 EUR, which Most likely would have cost 3 Times more in Zürich. We then finished off eating Sushi "all you can eat" 25 EUR!!
And for keeping up appearances and your neighbours from gossiping, don't forget to keep a couple of Migros/Coop bags handy for repacking your Lidl groceries once you're back in Swissieland
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And for keeping up appearances and your neighbours from gossiping, don't forget to keep a couple of Migros/Coop bags handy for repacking your Lidl groceries once you're back in Swissieland
I still remember how the aunt of a schoolfriend and her husband went shopping to Migros and then, as they wanted to get the stuff over to his grandmum, spent the half the evening by re-packing the Migros stuff into Marinello bags

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Interesting btw is that reports today say that experts expect the EURO to rise to not just 1.40 as desired but to above 1.50 which is clearly NOT wanted here. The SNB however has not just bought Eurobonds (some 10% of all the debt of Germany) but also big chunks of the shares of companies like Nokia, so that the SNB chaps are in a comfortable position both to manage the exchange-rate and to make profits
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Interesting btw is that reports today say that experts expect the EURO to rise to not just 1.40 as desired but to above 1.50 which is clearly NOT wanted here. The SNB however has not just bought Eurobonds (some 10% of all the debt of Germany) but also big chunks of the shares of companies like Nokia, so that the SNB chaps are in a comfortable position both to manage the exchange-rate and to make profits
I remember when it was 1.70 and even then it was still a bargain to shop in Germany

The experts need to take a look at the euro zone closer and until there is an appreciable improvement in the trading and economies of these countries their prediction is pretty long term.
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