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Fabric. Textiles.

Pretty much all "raw" materials will cost you an arm and a leg, even without paying the sewing labor put in it. The import tax isn't justifying it all, I wonder what gets piled on on those margins since I just bought a ton of really high quality canvas and cotton elsewhere, and paid 30fr instead of the Swiss 180fr.
That is exactly what I was covering under this post.

In that case you may also be suffering a price rise due to low demand.

I do understand that prices do appear really high - but there are reasons for it.
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That is exactly what I was covering under this post.

In that case you may also be suffering a price rise due to low demand.

I do understand that prices do appear really high - but there are reasons for it.
The demand is probably low due to the high price..which is a scenario not exclusive to CH, dealing with it, though, the way it is dealt with, might be unfortunately stereotypically local. With prices like these the demand will be decreasing, as will be the skills/competence. No current hipster/homemade trend is going to boost it.

Something is going to have to change. All the stores here that are in cities on the direct train to France are almost closing. Their price and marketing policies are quickly being revised, frantic efforts, if it is quick enough, who knows. What do they call it - Euro Soldes? The trouble is, people are already used to getting better prices and better services elsewhere, it might be late.
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Toblerone 400g bars.. 8chf in coop. Airport shop in Caribbean 6 euro....
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

A very very long time ago when we lived in Oz, we had Swiss students live with us on a homestay basis. We took two girls from Kts. Graubunden and Aargau to Fremantle Markets....... where, they were astonished to find genuine Ementhaler cheese a good deal less expensive that "at home".
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Well, I have to say that I'm still shocked that a terrible lager on tap is usually 9 CHF when you get get a craft beer in the SF Bay Area for $5.

Also, I was just quoted 90 CHF to fix the broken metal bracket on my bike's rear derailleur. I e-mailed my shop in the US to ask about the price and they said $10 for part and $15 for labor. UGH!
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

"We'll pass on the new Euro/CHF parity to our customers (CHF 1,500 off if you buy a new car for 35,000). According to my calculations that is c.a. 4.5%.

The Euro is now still about 13% below the 1.20 CHF.

Off course we're all stupid.
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Well, I have to say that I'm still shocked that a terrible lager on tap is usually 9 CHF when you get get a craft beer in the SF Bay Area for $5.

Also, I was just quoted 90 CHF to fix the broken metal bracket on my bike's rear derailleur. I e-mailed my shop in the US to ask about the price and they said $10 for part and $15 for labor. UGH!
Go back to San Francisco0 then !

Remind me again about average wages in US and Switzerland.....
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Go back to San Francisco0 then !

Remind me again about average wages in US and Switzerland.....
And the causal link between average wages and Absurd Swiss prices is?
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The £ was quite strong in 1976, very weak in 1983 as Tom notes.


Thanks. Yes, I know. I was making a joke; but Tom didn't like it! Sorry!
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Lower price range but similar price proportions: I had business cards and some flyers printed in Germany, the prices including delivery were between half and two thirds of the swiss prices.

Similarly as I like shoot photos using film (love the feeling) you can get the film developed and the photos printed in Germany at dm for probably less than half the CH price.
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Here we go again!!

Lets say the "raw cost" on an item is 100 (no need for currency) - that is bought direct from the manufacturer and delivered to the point of sale.
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That assumption is wrong in many cases thus your calculation breaks apart. You need to realize that a branded products' price will in just about every case be under heavy influence of the brand owner, who will typically try to maximise his profits, which in turn means he'll demand as high a price as he can get without significantly impairing revenues.

Switzerland has no anti-monopoly laws, in fact they're explicitly allowed. Our national parliament makes sure this won't change.

Coop for instance wouldn't break their contracts and stop selling prints (Spiegel among them IIRC) for the demanded prices and simultaneously say they're sick of having to buy overpriced stuff from arrogant printers/distributers if they themselves were the reason for the overpricing. Print products (newspapers and similar) in CH often cost close to double the price in Euro while swiss prints are typically priced for about the same.

BMW forbade german dealers to sell to swiss consumers until they were forced by the courts to allow that. Car makers/garages also only do warranty because they were forced to by the courts.

Denner buys Coca Cola in Slovakia(?) at retail prices, removes the labels and relabels the bottles, imports them and it still costs them less than Coca Cola Hellenic Bottling AG demands, the "swiss" bottler who moved here 2-3 years ago from Greece for tax reasons only.

These are just the examples that come to mind immediately, there are probably thousands more. Why, for instance, does zalando.de not sell to Switzerland?
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Its WTP, a willingness to pay. The Swiss consumer earns more, so does not, (unlike us who are used to lower prices) complain half as much about the cost of everything.

Competitiveness in the Swiss market is lower, less choice for a consumer, means that the supplier can often choose how to price a product.

High wages, means that everything needs to be priced to account for that outgoing.

Personally, and this is not a concept the Swiss have, but I would be happier and consume more (restaurants specifically) if prices were lower, and I think most people would do the same. But as you will see, popular restaurant are usually full, so it makes no sense for those restaurants to lower prices, WTP in affect.

I am no economist so I might be talking a load of old BS, but its what I believe.
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The demand is probably low due to the high price..which is a scenario not exclusive to CH, dealing with it, though, the way it is dealt with, might be unfortunately stereotypically local. With prices like these the demand will be decreasing, as will be the skills/competence. No current hipster/homemade trend is going to boost it.

Something is going to have to change. All the stores here that are in cities on the direct train to France are almost closing. Their price and marketing policies are quickly being revised, frantic efforts, if it is quick enough, who knows. What do they call it - Euro Soldes? The trouble is, people are already used to getting better prices and better services elsewhere, it might be late.
Is that so? We've been hearing that for years. I've lived near the German border almost all my life, in various places in Switzerland. And I have yet to see any of the border cities or towns, including Basel, deserted on a Saturday afternoon.

People shop and generally consume here more or less as they always have, subject to 'normal' fluctuations and, more importantly, the rise of internet shopping. I know not one single Swiss or Switzerland-born foreigner who regularly (!) shop, eat and spend their time in Germany or France, even though they live 'right there'. I also have yet to find Swiss who - constantly, not twice a year - complain about Swiss prices. And most live on 5k or less a month, not on 10k+. Do they complain every now and then? Of course. Do they shop across the border a handful of times a year? Sure. But this whole "Switzerland is so expensive" blabla is much less of an issue or discussion topic than this specific forum and some of the media would suggest. Maybe I just know the wrong (or rather the right) people, though.

I wonder who all these people are who think Switzerland is so overpriced that they won't even bother buying a can of diet coke here, and rather hop in the car to drive across the border to save 60 Rappen (yes, this is exaggerated, but you get the gist). Honni soit qui mal y pense.
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Old 14.04.2015, 12:22
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The demand is probably low due to the high price..which is a scenario not exclusive to CH, dealing with it, though, the way it is dealt with, might be unfortunately stereotypically local. With prices like these the demand will be decreasing, as will be the skills/competence. No current hipster/homemade trend is going to boost it.

Something is going to have to change. All the stores here that are in cities on the direct train to France are almost closing. Their price and marketing policies are quickly being revised, frantic efforts, if it is quick enough, who knows. What do they call it - Euro Soldes? The trouble is, people are already used to getting better prices and better services elsewhere, it might be late.
many shops are offering a 20% currency devaluation discount. If not, just ask them. So yes, things are changing at present
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

The CEO of an internet security company was a guest lecturer in an ETH course. He was explaining that CH is the only country that defies simple microeconomic rules.

You jack the price up and demand simply can't find a f### to give
Sometimes it will even go up.

I know it's completely anecdotal but an interesting factoid nevertheless. IMHO people are just "trained" and they will just swallow everything you charge them with minimal -if any- complaints...
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... I wonder who all these people are who think Switzerland is so overpriced that they won't even bother buying a can of diet coke here, and rather hop in the car to drive across the border to save 60 Rappen (yes, this is exaggerated, but you get the gist). Honni soit qui mal y pense.
Me. I Make the FR/DE circuit every weekend. Other than milk and bread, I don't care what COOP has to offer (OH likes the produce section I am told).
That too is exaggerated, since some things are comparably priced here as there so we get it where it makes sense.
I can easily afford to shop in CH (which seems to be the argument for the acceptance of higher prices) but why should I pay more for something when there is no benefit/value? Its just not in my nature to spend more than I have to. Midwestern upbringing I guess.
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Is that so? We've been hearing that for years. I've lived near the German border almost all my life, in various places in Switzerland. And I have yet to see any of the border cities or towns, including Basel, deserted on a Saturday afternoon.

People shop and generally consume here more or less as they always have, subject to 'normal' fluctuations and, more importantly, the rise of internet shopping. I know not one single Swiss or Switzerland-born foreigner who regularly (!) shop, eat and spend their time in Germany or France, even though they live 'right there'. I also have yet to find Swiss who - constantly, not twice a year - complain about Swiss prices. And most live on 5k or less a month, not on 10k+. Do they complain every now and then? Of course. Do they shop across the border a handful of times a year? Sure. But this whole "Switzerland is so expensive" blabla is much less of an issue or discussion topic than this specific forum and some of the media would suggest. Maybe I just know the wrong (or rather the right) people, though.

I wonder who all these people are who think Switzerland is so overpriced that they won't even bother buying a can of diet coke here, and rather hop in the car to drive across the border to save 60 Rappen (yes, this is exaggerated, but you get the gist). Honni soit qui mal y pense.
Over 9 Billion CHF in cross border shopping last year so somebody must be doing it?
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Over 9 Billion CHF in cross border shopping last year so somebody must be doing it?

Foreigners! Of course that no is a wild guess nothing more .
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People shop and generally consume here more or less as they always have, subject to 'normal' fluctuations and, more importantly, the rise of internet shopping. I know not one single Swiss or Switzerland-born foreigner who regularly (!) shop, eat and spend their time in Germany or France, even though they live 'right there'. I also have yet to find Swiss who - constantly, not twice a year - complain about Swiss prices. And most live on 5k or less a month, not on 10k+. Do they complain every now and then? Of course. Do they shop across the border a handful of times a year? Sure. But this whole "Switzerland is so expensive" blabla is much less of an issue or discussion topic than this specific forum and some of the media would suggest. Maybe I just know the wrong (or rather the right) people, though.

I wonder who all these people are who think Switzerland is so overpriced that they won't even bother buying a can of diet coke here, and rather hop in the car to drive across the border to save 60 Rappen (yes, this is exaggerated, but you get the gist). Honni soit qui mal y pense.


Although I am certain you are partially right, our long-standing friend in Winterthur travels every week to the Aldi in Jestetten, to Müller in Konstanz, to the dentist in Waldshut and the garage to service her car somehwere else in the vicinity but definitely across the border.
Additionally, living very close to the St. Gingolph border, but in France when we shop at our local Inter-Marché in Lugrin, 10 kms from the Swiss border, the car park is full of cars with GE, VD, FR, VS, BE and occasionally other Kantons.
I wouldn't exactly there is no place for the Einheimische, but we don't always immediately find a place to park.
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

All of you seem to be earning much higher wages in Switzerland and are constantly referring to it. I guess we got screwed. We got a 20% raise for living costs adjustment but the houses we see are half the size and not even half as nice as where we live right now in another EU country (also expats here) and they cost exactly double as much!! And the cost of living is for sure double instead of 20% higher. So I do have a good reason to grunt as we are actually hit by these absurd prices and our lifestyle is seriously impacted. I know it is our fault and we should have asked for more money. At the time we trusted the HRs calculations and besides my hubby wanted badly this position so we were blinded by that.
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