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I challenge you to back up that statement. I bought a Tissot in London (also supposedly a very expensive city) for 180 francs less than the same watch sells for here.....
I challenge you to read my post properly.
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

I think the fact is some of these businesses are making a massive profit margin, and new companies are unable to start up and compete due to proctectionism, where it appears this country is built on it. Therefore these companies can charge what they like, in full knowledge that to get a better price, the customer has to really go out of their way.

So I suppose that in a small country surrounded by the giants of Germany and France, it needs to behave like this in order to survive and contain its identity.

It would be very interesting to see the likes of Tesco arrive here, that would really wake up COOP and Migros, but I suppose that would never be allowed. It would mean I could get hold of some Hot Cross buns though.
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It would mean I could get hold of some Hot Cross buns though.
You see THAT is just an elaborate ploy to keep the women at home rather than at work, just like the no washing on Sunday rule... Having them make fancy stuff themselves keeps 'em in the kitchen.
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Just wanted to add an example of shocking price difference.

We wanted to get a specific camera bag - we researched and found one we liked - on Amazon the grand sum of 30 quid - even on amazon de it was only 44 Euro - but guess what it wouldnt get delivered.
So off we trotted to MM - and foundsaid bag - at a huge price of 179CHF!!

needless to say we have ordered via amazon and a friend is sending on for us

This is a fairly typical example but you know what? The way many of us deal with it is to do exactly as you are now doing. I simply refuse to pay the absurd price in CH (not everything is a rip off here though remember) and I'll either wait until I next travel within the EU and buy it or buy it on-line and delivered to an ex-CH address for collection at a later date. I refuse to pay the rip off proces for some stuff here in CH and I absolutely avoid paying the complete highway robbery called customs and excise on bringing stuff into the country. Many ex-pats are very used to the idea of moving around in different countries and savvy buying in different places. Switzerland has a huge amount to learn about free market economies, protectionism will always fail in the long run as the companies being protected are ill-equipped to handle the realities of the real world.
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I challenge you to read my post properly.
Because I used England instead of Malysia? Of course I would not buy a watch in Malaysia or anywhere in Asia for obvious reasons. However, one merely has to step out of the country to find a better deal on luxury goods.
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Computers are one area that are curiously not at inflated prices in comparisons to the EU and the US. There are deals to be had where the prices are competitive with the US. You just have to have take the German language OS (bad) and the Swiss keyboard (which i like)
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Because I used England instead of Malysia? Of course I would not buy a watch in Malaysia or anywhere in Asia for obvious reasons. However, one merely has to step out of the country to find a better deal on luxury goods.
But if you did buy it in a proper shop with all the proper paperwork, it would work out more expensive than here in Manor. My Malaysian relatives always buy watches here when they come to stay because they say it's a) cheaper and b) you are sure to get the real thing. And if you factor in average earnings rather than just the exchange rate, they are REALLY expensive for them back home.

That goes for everything though, it may be cheaper abroad but people abroad earn less. I'd rather earn more and have a choice about what I spend my money on than having things that I might not even want being cheaper and earning less.
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Um, I love the stereotype that people only sell imitation in asia though I can back up Kittster here and say that when I was in Kuala Lumpur in February visiting my sister, the Swiss watches (I don't even know if there are other kinds of luxury watches) really weren't cheaper than here. On the other hand, you can find all the luxury stuff in one mall which makes shopping for your piece of ostentatious bling that much easier.

The truth is, there's nowhere cheaper to buy expensive stuff than the USA especially from online sources.


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But if you did buy it in a proper shop with all the proper paperwork, it would work out more expensive than here in Manor. My Malaysian relatives always buy watches here when they come to stay because they say it's a) cheaper and b) you are sure to get the real thing. And if you factor in average earnings rather than just the exchange rate, they are REALLY expensive for them back home.

That goes for everything though, it may be cheaper abroad but people abroad earn less. I'd rather earn more and have a choice about what I spend my money on than having things that I might not even want being cheaper and earning less.
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Foreign retailers will always find it difficult in Switzerland because all swiss learn that it's best for the local economy if 1.) Export lots 2.) Import little - hence buy local 3.) Attract lots of foreign savings so local interest rates can be kept low.

How else did you think the Swiss got rich apart from avoiding wars like the plague. They're not exactly dumb you know.

Though I don't exactly do the "buy local" thing especially if it's really foreign product anyway, I will always support Swiss on 1) and 3)

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I think the fact is some of these businesses are making a massive profit margin, and new companies are unable to start up and compete due to proctectionism, where it appears this country is built on it. Therefore these companies can charge what they like, in full knowledge that to get a better price, the customer has to really go out of their way.

So I suppose that in a small country surrounded by the giants of Germany and France, it needs to behave like this in order to survive and contain its identity.

It would be very interesting to see the likes of Tesco arrive here, that would really wake up COOP and Migros, but I suppose that would never be allowed. It would mean I could get hold of some Hot Cross buns though.
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Old 09.04.2009, 17:13
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But if you did buy it in a proper shop with all the proper paperwork, it would work out more expensive than here in Manor. My Malaysian relatives always buy watches here when they come to stay because they say it's a) cheaper and b) you are sure to get the real thing. And if you factor in average earnings rather than just the exchange rate, they are REALLY expensive for them back home.

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I'd agree there.

I've looked at prices of cameras and watches in shops in the U.S. and here and prices for both have been comparable in both countries.

As Canon cameras, for example, do not have a worldwide guarantee, it makes sense to purchase locally.

Comparing high-street shops here with Internet retailers in the U.S. is not really comparing like with like.

However, sweatshop produced goods such as trainers are much, much cheaper in the U.S.
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Old 09.04.2009, 18:51
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But if you did buy it in a proper shop with all the proper paperwork, it would work out more expensive than here in Manor.
I did get all the proper paperwork as it was a major UK jeweler. (Goldsmiths). Their warranty is worldwide although I must go to London if I want to have the strap adjusted for free or if I want to have link removed or added for dree. (in the likely event my wrist size changes dramatically)


As for the exchange rate, at least at this point....buying goods in the US and UK is quite beneficial.
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We used to talk in terms 'rip off Britain' particularly in regard to the price of new cars, wander what Switzerland should be referred to as...?
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Don't forget, it's expensive now in CH because it's so strong at the moment. If the financial markets recover, you could see CHF weaken considerably and then it won't be so expensive no more in comparison.
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I did get all the proper paperwork as it was a major UK jeweler. (Goldsmiths). Their warranty is worldwide although I must go to London if I want to have the strap adjusted for free or if I want to have link removed or added for dree. (in the likely event my wrist size changes dramatically)


As for the exchange rate, at least at this point....buying goods in the US and UK is quite beneficial.
I'm sure you got an outstanding deal on a top watch in the UK. That is not the point I was making, which is why I referred to a place where something is more expensive than here in Switzerland. It's a bit difficult trying to point out a different angle of the same problem if some people simply refuse to consider turning their head for a brief moment.
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I know this is probably an old topic, but it retains the power to shock. The wife and I have seen a large piece of furniture we wish to buy, from a particular furniture maker.

Price in Germany: 2,500 Euros (3,700 CHF or thereabouts).

Price in Switzerland: 9,000 CHF!!!!

It's currently looking like: Hire a van for 2 days, stay overnight in a fancy hotel, pay the customs, and still save 4,000 CHF!

Anyone else seen any other barmy examples?

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I'm looking to buy a new sofa in Germany. In Pfister in Basel I bought one I really liked for 2500 SFr. To get the equivalent in Germany I am seeing price tags circa 4000 Euros. So it cuts both ways and it pays to shop around.
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

After following the whole thread I am still wondering why people still want to live in Switzerland

I believe the truth (as usual) is somewhere in the middle and the pricing however high is not prohibitive for people willing to live in the country.

The number of people looking for jobs here has not decreased despite the financial fiasco in the bank sector.

I am one of those guys who would like to take a chance (again) to find a decent position in the Northern part of the country (not suprisingly Basel is the place and it is not in the financial part of the job market).

Sorry for the digression.

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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Nuesslisalat = two x 150 gram plastic boxes here at Intermarché last week for €1.00. Migros/Co-Op anything from 2.50 to 3.95 per plastic box. That's why so many of our neighbours here are working as Frontaliers, earning super Swiss salaries and shopping at home in France. But when all's said and done, it is of course the Swiss Government who issue them with their permits......
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

http://209.85.135.132/translate_c?hl...tFJogAnFxss8Aw

i think this says it all, even new supposed to be super-cheap shops are milking switzerland, because they can.

anyways, i'm happy i've ressurected the whole discussion, but nobody answered my questions:

any news about so called "cassis de dijon principle" ? i couldn't find any new information about this in english

and what about that only one company can import specific product to switzerland ? has it been changed? ( some people said, that it will)
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Just read this article : 'strewth........ who translated this into Swinglish?

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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

google translator, and of course i read it, and i still don't know. maybe your understanding of google english is better than mine, so please share with me
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