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Old 08.05.2010, 11:18
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I must be lucky or really cute 'cause I never have that problem here in Basel. Even teenager let me pass...
I am going with the cute option.
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Re: Sidewalk Etiquette

It's pretty normal for people to not go through any trouble to get out of your way. You'll get used to it and find yourself doing the same in no time. You might be reading a little too much into the "dirty looks", though... Try saying a friendly 'grüetzi' as you pass.
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Old 08.05.2010, 11:21
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Is it a North American quality that we politely make space for others?
Yes and no. The Swiss make space for others too, but the difference is how much space. In Switzerland a miss is as good as a mile (and clashing handbags still count as a miss.)

You do get used to it, more or less... in my case, to the point that now when I'm back in the States, I often have the opposite reaction. Several people in a row veer off course to go way out around me on a nearly-empty sidewalk, and I start checking my reflection in shop windows.
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Especially all in Complaints corner.

I must be lucky or really cute 'cause I never have that problem here in Basel. Even teenager let me pass...
It's because Basel is nicer...
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Is it a North American quality that we politely make space for others?
I don't know. Maybe your sidewalks are larger than ours?
Everything seems to be so small here compared to other countries you know!
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Old 08.05.2010, 11:22
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Is it a North American quality that we politely make space for others?
No, it's a delightful Swiss quality to block pavements and be totally astonished at the presence of another human being. Enjoy.

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No but is a normal persons quality to adapt to any other country he is at. Or do you expect Swiss people (or anybody else) to adapt to what you want. Kind of selfish i would say
And that is a fine example of a typical Swiss answer. I'm surprised that you haven't been instructed to leave the country or climb a mountain for your insubordinate comments.
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Re: Sidewalk Etiquette

To the OP - I know what you are talking about. There is undoubtedly an element here who do seem more than just spacially unaware - that actually make a sport of being obstructive in public spaces. I have found either walking directly at them or inviting them to 'get out the *&^%$ way' both work. Amazing how international one or two choice English phrases are!

Usually these experiences come in one particularly bad day and you can then go for several days with pleasant encounters. I try to avoid supermarkets at traditionally busy times such as Friday evening/ Saturday mornings as it doesn't take many people here to bring foot traffic to a standstill.
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In order to post something on the Marketplace forum, you have to have 10 posts. Moving out of Switzerland is a full time job... no time to play.
I guess you cant wait to get out then..
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Old 08.05.2010, 11:27
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It's pretty normal for people to not go through any trouble to get out of your way. You'll get used to it and find yourself doing the same in no time. You might be reading a little too much into the "dirty looks", though... Try saying a friendly 'grüetzi' as you pass.
I second this about the deploying of the word 'grüetzi' when encountering folk - it is a magic code word here that will get you far!

And the dirty looks are just part and parcel of a week of grey skies, a privileged life with little serious to worry about, and nothing personal.
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Old 08.05.2010, 11:35
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Re: Sidewalk Etiquette

another tactic is to head right for them and stop (but brace for collision) and force them to walk around you. only works if you're prepared to stand there for several minutes until they move.
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Old 08.05.2010, 11:39
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Speaking of etiquette, 6 threads in one morning?

Really?

You should go outside and play.


You counted?
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Old 08.05.2010, 11:42
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Does something about me scream 'I'm not Swiss, so hate me" when I'm walking down the street?

Last week, in the span of 35 minutes, I counted 4 really negative encounters with locals in Wadenswil. Perhaps it's because I walk quickly, but each encounter involved me walking past people, and them huffing or mumbling or just completely refusing to pick a side of the sidewalk and allow my by.

1. Approaching a couple with a baby carriage. They are walking slowly. She's pushing the carriage. He's next to her, one hand on the carriage. Cute. As I approach from behind, he notices me in the corner of his eye and gives me a head-to-toe dirty look (is a black coat and jeans really so offensive?), and then just keeps walking as he is, doesn't even squeeze to one side so I can pass. I step out into the streets at my own risk, and nearly get flattened by a driver who seemed to swerve closer to me as a threat, "get off the road you dumb American!!"

2,3 and 4. All pretty much the same, except the one older couple who actually stopped to point at and criticize me as I went walking past them, obviously in a hurry.

Is it a North American quality that we politely make space for others?
yeah me too
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Old 08.05.2010, 11:46
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Speaking of etiquette, 6 threads in one morning?

Really?
and no "there is no brown sugar!" thread yet?
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Old 08.05.2010, 12:12
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You counted?
I started after the 4th.
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Re: Sidewalk Etiquette

You must be new to Switzerland. The behavior you're describing isn't rude here - it's normal. You'll adapt. It has nothing to do with you being an American.
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Especially all in Complaints corner.

I must be lucky or really cute 'cause I never have that problem here in Basel. Even teenager let me pass...
I'm making a higher bid than Natasha, you're lucky and cute.
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Does something about me scream 'I'm not Swiss, so hate me" when I'm walking down the street?

Last week, in the span of 35 minutes, I counted 4 really negative encounters with locals in Wadenswil. Perhaps it's because I walk quickly, but each encounter involved me walking past people, and them huffing or mumbling or just completely refusing to pick a side of the sidewalk and allow my by.

1. Approaching a couple with a baby carriage. They are walking slowly. She's pushing the carriage. He's next to her, one hand on the carriage. Cute. As I approach from behind, he notices me in the corner of his eye and gives me a head-to-toe dirty look (is a black coat and jeans really so offensive?), and then just keeps walking as he is, doesn't even squeeze to one side so I can pass. I step out into the streets at my own risk, and nearly get flattened by a driver who seemed to swerve closer to me as a threat, "get off the road you dumb American!!"

2,3 and 4. All pretty much the same, except the one older couple who actually stopped to point at and criticize me as I went walking past them, obviously in a hurry.

Is it a North American quality that we politely make space for others?
Clearly they were expecting you to hand over details of your salary and other personal details...
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Re: Sidewalk Etiquette

Forcing someone to walk into the street is rude, and no you do not have to adapt to their rude behaivor. You seem to quite the normal one in this situation.
I would just ignore them.
I was walking around London a couple days ago, and it was lovely. No stares, if you happened to side step in front of someone, there was no look of indignation, a smile and a step aside, or they would just move to one side. No conflicts, just a pleasure to walk around.

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Speaking of etiquette, 6 threads in one morning?

Really?

You should go outside and play.

Don't really see the relevance, if the OP wants to posts 6 threads, why not. I see it as being effecient, rather then spread them out. They all look like valid threads to me.
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Re: Sidewalk Etiquette

Ah, a common topic for newbies to Switzerland. See this thread: Swiss Manners
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