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08.05.2010, 13:27
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08.05.2010, 13:55
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just to add to the rant: Straight lines. how hard can it be to walk in a straight line??? how can i get this added to the swiss school curriculum?
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08.05.2010, 14:31
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| | | Re: Sidewalk Etiquette | Quote: | |  | | | Clearly they were expecting you to SELL details of your salary and other personal details TO THE AUTHORITIES... | | | | | Added some clarification for you there.
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08.05.2010, 14:33
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| | | Re: Sidewalk Etiquette | Quote: | |  | | | just to add to the rant: Straight lines. how hard can it be to walk in a straight line??? how can i get this added to the swiss school curriculum? | | | | | Eh? I thought that was the problem - people walking in straight lines no matter what.
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08.05.2010, 17:02
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| | | Re: Sidewalk / pavement etiquette
I don't know about the Swiss hating adowney, that seems a little strong.... but damn you moan a lot.
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08.05.2010, 17:56
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| | | Re: Sidewalk / pavement etiquette
It's just the same as driving - the Swiss have no idea how to drive - this is carried over from the notion that they have no idea how to walk!!
I join in this way of living everynight when commuting home through the main station - I set my course for a straight line right across the main mezzanine towards platforms 52. I just go for it and no one will stop me or make me veer off course.
Perhaps I have nearly knocked some of you folks over. I dont care I am just practicing being Swiss so as I fit in. | 
09.05.2010, 15:10
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| | | Re: Sidewalk Etiquette | Quote: | |  | | | Does something about me scream 'I'm not Swiss, so hate me" when I'm walking down the street?
Last week, in the span of 35 minutes, I counted 4 really negative encounters with locals in Wadenswil. Perhaps it's because I walk quickly, but each encounter involved me walking past people, and them huffing or mumbling or just completely refusing to pick a side of the sidewalk and allow my by.
1. Approaching a couple with a baby carriage. They are walking slowly. She's pushing the carriage. He's next to her, one hand on the carriage. Cute. As I approach from behind, he notices me in the corner of his eye and gives me a head-to-toe dirty look (is a black coat and jeans really so offensive?), and then just keeps walking as he is, doesn't even squeeze to one side so I can pass. I step out into the streets at my own risk, and nearly get flattened by a driver who seemed to swerve closer to me as a threat, "get off the road you dumb American!!"
2,3 and 4. All pretty much the same, except the one older couple who actually stopped to point at and criticize me as I went walking past them, obviously in a hurry.
Is it a North American quality that we politely make space for others? | | | | | People with children in Wädenswil most likely are NOT Swiss | 
09.05.2010, 15:20
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| | | Re: Walking in ZH | Quote: | |  | | | This 'sudden stopping with no regard for people behind them in the crowd' thing is another phenomenon I've frequently seen in Zuerich.
I've seen one or two people pull up for no apparent reason as they stepped of an escalator (with a bunch of people right behind them) and plenty of occasions where someone gets off a busy bus/train/tram and just stops dead to have a bit of navel gazing contemplation right in front of the exit.
As pointed out by another poster, the mentality also is probably related to the rampant tailgating that goes on on the roads. Aside from the fact that it's a dangerous and completely witted thing to do, it shows absolutely no respect for the person in front.
Another good example of 'me first' on the roads is when you have to pull into another lane, either because something is stopped or moving very slow in front. Back in the British Isles, if there were cars behind you in the same lane who would also have to pull across, they would wait until you did so first, meaning that everyone could have time to calmly change lanes.
Here, the first driver in the lane who is able to pull out (that is: the one at the end of the 'queue') makes sure to go right on out the moment he's clear, thus preventing anyone in front of him from doing likewise. Many times I've ended up having to slam on the brakes because drivers behind me pull out and trap me in the blocked lane, when a bit of common sense and courtesy would have meant that _everyone_ could have overtaken the obstacle safely and without drama.
Gav | | | | | haha. i've noticed that one. if i'm in a particularly bad mood, i'll pull out anyway and not overtake the obstacle just to spite the fkker.
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09.05.2010, 15:28
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| | | Re: Sidewalk Etiquette | Quote: | |  | | | It's because Basel is nicer...  | | | | | It is because "Nil" is nicer I suppose !
************************************************** | Quote: | |  | | | No, it's a delightful Swiss quality to block pavements and be totally astonished at the presence of another human being. Enjoy. | | | | | Swiss are good learners. And when the Italians came to Switzerland in the later 50ies and into the 60ies and blocked all the Trottoirs and rail-stations, the Swiss learnt that to give way to others is not really necessary. | Quote: | |  | | | And that is a fine example of a typical Swiss answer. I'm surprised that you haven't been instructed to leave the country or climb a mountain for your insubordinate comments. | | | | | Except that "Gata" is NOT Swiss but from another a bit crowded small country . Suggest you give a look at her profile
***************************************** | Quote: | |  | | | I second this about the deploying of the word 'grüetzi' when encountering folk - it is a magic code word here that will get you far!
And the dirty looks are just part and parcel of a week of grey skies, a privileged life with little serious to worry about, and nothing personal. | | | | | And if you are behind somebody then the word to use is äXGüSI fairly loudly and then you will get the space needed
************************************************** *************** | Quote: | |  | | | just to add to the rant: Straight lines. how hard can it be to walk in a straight line??? how can i get this added to the swiss school curriculum? | | | | | Sorry but what is the fun in walking in a straight line ?
************************************************** * | Quote: | |  | | | It's just the same as driving - the Swiss have no idea how to drive - this is carried over from the notion that they have no idea how to walk!!
I join in this way of living everynight when commuting home through the main station - I set my course for a straight line right across the main mezzanine towards platforms 52. I just go for it and no one will stop me or make me veer off course.
Perhaps I have nearly knocked some of you folks over. I dont care I am just practicing being Swiss so as I fit in. | | | | | As you learn it in school, the fastest link between point A and point B is the straight line !
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09.05.2010, 16:49
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| | | Re: Sidewalk / pavement etiquette | Quote: | |  | | | It's just the same as driving - the Swiss have no idea how to drive - this is carried over from the notion that they have no idea how to walk!! | | | | | This sounds like you haven’t got much experience in driving in other countries. I have been told that the Egyptians drive like camel drivers, that in Nigeria the cows - and occasionally the wild pigs - always have the right of way - apart from Government officials when they drive in one-way streets in the forbidden direction.
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09.05.2010, 17:12
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| | | Re: Sidewalk / pavement etiquette
Back to the original topic the OP says that he is not a small guy, I have seen this phenomena so I know what you mean. I think that a person who is outside of the norm is just out of the minds grasp of your run of the mill version 1.0 human and therefore will get filtered out of the consciousness by the brain. I have wondered how anybody with two eyes could just walk into me and it yet it happens on a day to day basis, if I did not get out of the way of the "little" people fast enough they would end up being scraped of the sole of my boot.
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09.05.2010, 21:08
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Exactly! Hilarious - I was on a train back to Zurich from Lugano today, and sitting with a friend of mine who is a beautiful blond woman (who has learned German). We were sitting in first class, and this bald business man was staring at her while he walked by. She held eye contact with him and he was unrelenting, so she said, in German, "I can stare at you too" which made him turn nearly purple and rush off. We laughed for a good ten minutes.
Nothing like being told off by a hot foreigner in your own language!!
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09.05.2010, 21:09
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| | | Re: Walking in ZH | Quote: | |  | | | Exactly! Hilarious - I was on a train back to Zurich from Lugano today, and sitting with a friend of mine who is a beautiful blond woman (who has learned German). We were sitting in first class, and this bald business man was staring at her while he walked by. She held eye contact with him and he was unrelenting, so she said, in German, "I can stare at you too" which made him turn nearly purple and rush off. We laughed for a good ten minutes.
Nothing like being told off by a hot foreigner in your own language!! | | | | | ...now, how would he have known that she was a foreigner?
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09.05.2010, 21:33
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| | | Re: Walking in ZH | Quote: | |  | | | ...now, how would he have known that she was a foreigner? | | | | | maybe by the fact that she could speak german properly.
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10.05.2010, 06:03
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| | | Re: Sidewalk / pavement etiquette | Quote: | |  | | | This sounds like you haven’t got much experience in driving in other countries. I have been told that the Egyptians drive like camel drivers, that in Nigeria the cows - and occasionally the wild pigs - always have the right of way - apart from Government officials when they drive in one-way streets in the forbidden direction. | | | | | Egyptians drive in a fantastic flexible and creative way. As they do not give much for laws the create their own rules like speeding ahead when the light is red, making six lanes where it originally was two or three, and of course by being constantly on the horn | 
11.05.2010, 14:25
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| | | Re: Sidewalk / pavement etiquette
OT, The tracks in Basel, I presume elsewhere, that are made of crushed stones yellow in colour, as seen here (google map Bruderholz), yellow track on the left near the field, footpath on the right of the road (typical grey asphalt) .
Now, I have seen horses, bikes, joggers / runners using these. I presume farmers also use them from time to time with machinery. I have seen that some have the red circle for horses &/or people, bikes and oddly cars. But not so today on the path nearby that google map link above, someone took exception and in no uncertain terms gave me a telling off. Then proceeded to stare at me out of line of sight.
So whats the deal? I'm thinking it was just a 'crazy old guy with little dog' encounter. Everyone else was all "Grüezi" and smiles. Because, you know, I'm on a bike I pull over to make plenty of room *and* stop, good way to say hello.
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15.05.2010, 23:50
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This is a funny thread! Once a friend from the UK was visiting (her first time in CH) and a lady was starting at her on the train. I'm used to it - but my friend was quite unnerved by it. So I smiled at the lady and waved at her. At first she look flustered but then smiled back warmly and didn't stare again. | 
16.05.2010, 11:50
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| | | Re: Sidewalk Etiquette | Quote: | |  | | | just to add to the rant: Straight lines. how hard can it be to walk in a straight line??? how can i get this added to the swiss school curriculum? | | | | | You might want to work on that. THey can't seem to drive in straight lines either. I've never seen so many people unfamiliar with the concept of staying in your own lane whilst driving. Hello, you don't get your lane, then 20% of mine, then your own lane again, then 30% of mine, etc.
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