Yesterday i read a column in the "Swissinfo" concerning "Youth Violence".
Some were outrages, imagine a 14 yr old will be sent to jail i hope the child got a fair trial.
How does the court function here, do they use Lying Detector, tapings, or witness?
Ok, it end up good, not much votes but what if the votes switch to that form of punishment.
What is everyone take in that topic.

over 18 year olds, depending on severity:

1-judge trial
3-judges trial
judges + jury trial

under 18s
the same plus involvement of the "jugendkommission" which is consisting of youth psychologists and the like (as far as I remember, my brush with the law at the age of 14 is a long time ago now).

A child won't be sent to a normal prison with grown-ups by the way, they get sent to youth detention centres if other measures aren't seen feesible.

would be interesting to see the original article? Depending on where it was, it's quite likely it wasn't too well researched...

That's quite an introduction.

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Hi , my name is Dave and I am a Virgo. I enjoy moustache-sculpting, tombstone design and dwarf-throwing.

dave

It's here.

My opinion is that an apple never falls far from the tree.

Meaning, 99% of the time its the parents "work" what becomes of a child. Of course there is an immense amount of factors that shape one's personality over the childhood, but by far the most deciding factors are the parents, their personality and views.

I'm of the opinion that a newborn child is like an empty canvas that has yet to be filled. It can be filled with images of violence and brutality, or something positive, but the brush is in the hands of the parents and the immediate surroundings.

Sending underage children into jail is only patching up leaks but not fixing the root cause. I imagine that most childhood criminals grow up in families where the traditional value structure of our (I'm trying to refrain from using Western) civilization is not present and they are either not given any guidance at all, or their parents lead them the wrong way (it is irrelevant whether on purpose or not).

The big question is, how to educate or force the parents to create a positive environment for the children? Can this be enforced at all?

oooh gotcha, the 14 year old going to prison was just an example...

I've moved this to Daily Life. Please do take care to
a) post in the correct forum
b) do try to explain more what you're posting about (thread saved by the link from Blonaybear)

I don’t know if you have had children yourself and, if so, how old they are. Are you speaking as an experienced parent yourself ?

The idea that it’s all down to the parents is all very well but how does this explain cases, and we probably all know some examples, where a couple have two or more children and one of them goes bad but the other(s) grow up to be a credit to their parents ? Same parents, different result !

I have 2 wonderful and adorable kids and i thank GOD each day for giving me them. Sure i have alot of experiences. My 2 kids were at the schools here and was badly and terrible iltreated here by the kids, the teacher and the principal. My son was stoned, spit, thrown on a piece of metal, he was in deep pain came home black and blue and always crying, sent to the school phys who shouted at him, he was very frightened ran out of his phys office then 1 week afterwards a gang of boys attempted to throw him over a bridge, teacher lied many times on him, did some investigation. We had a meeting we got shouted at. All he wanted to attend school which he liked doing great but tried to integrate but never had a friend only one. Fear for his life saw the dangers mentally and physically we ahd to force to send him to the caribbean for his schooling at the age of 7yrs old, well integrated with not a single problems.

Maybe the intro was appropriate. Not sure about "Daily Life" as a suitable place for this thread though.

dave

aye but I have not been able to work out if it's a complaint or ......

xynth has his or her opinion about violent kids but i speak well from experience and this is years of.
Now my daughter she attends school she was iltreated no friends, shouted at, pushed to the ground and this has nothing to do with language, there is a boy who is hearing impaired and he is well integrated among the children but my child who can speak, normal child wants friends but still being iltreated not only by the kids, her teacher and above all her principal who said he don,t care and it is peanuts, it is terrible if i had to relate it all, it is a night mare to any parent and just imagine the child.
Now i am up to the court by force, child taken away by force, if i had only know that this would have been so i would have long send my daughter to my land. Complained many times i got shouted at and so is my child.
Tell me what must i do or waht should i have done as a parent.

hi Lob Rockster,
You are a very handsome and charming guy and i have the greatest repect for you cause you are trying to be very helpful to me and i do appreciate that.
Sorry if i am getting you in trouble, i cannot get my way around the forum how do i get my post up in the order that is expected of me, i again apologized and i hope i get it right next time, by following the guidelines

Yes but that is a rare case. Sure, differences in personality are a given but I think we would all agree that most "bad" children don't go further than some mischiefs and an occasional screw-up that will be laughed at when they grow up. We're talking about youth criminals and I think that's the minority. There is a certain chance that a child from a perfectly normal family will become a criminal and vice versa, however, I think there are certain pathologic cases when the children are more prone for bad behavior (and I don't mean putting a firecracker into the toilet, I mean criminally bad behavior).

Also, as I said, I think the parents have the biggest effect on a child's personality, school, friends etc. come only second respectively. Surely you cannot say that because someone grows up to be a criminal it's automatically the parents fault, however, in the majority of the cases, the reasons for this are to be found inside the family. The parents are those who are most well equipped to circumvent this from happening, who else should really do it? The state (that means everyone who pays taxes)? While there are unfortunate cases, becoming a parent is a huge responsibiility and one that the parents should be very well aware of.

I have two boys the older one is 4.5 and the second is 3 years old. My first one is an Angel and my second the opossite. He even hits his older brother but when we go out to the park and other kids hit him he doesn't hit back. My older one has never hit anybody but always gets hitted by other children one time he got hitted 3 times in about 40 minutes of playing. The parents of the agressive kid were very proud of him, and saying to each other "wow, when he grows up he can become what he wants because he has such a strong personality" so I shoutted out loud "if he hits you again kick him on his testicles" This was after my son was laying on the ground from the puch this boy gave him on the forehead. My son is 6 months younger than this other kid. Therefore, ever since when I go to the Park and see agressive kids I turne around and find other place were we can play. The Psychologist from the Mutterzentrum says that I have to let kids to comfront and solve problems by themselves.
I guess being a parent is not easy, because I ask myself every evening if I had done the right thing or if I was too hard on my kids"

With all due* respect to that psychologist, he/she is talking rubbish. No, you don't let kids confront and solve problems by themselves. You help to to confront and solve problems, sometimes by standing up for them.

You are quite right in removing your children away from what is an abusive. It should be viewed as child abuse by proxy when a parent lets their child assault another.



* by "due respect" I of course mean, "none at all".