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No one leaves family, friends, home and culture unless the grass looks greener.
When I was younger I decided that spending the whole of my life in just one country was a total waste, therefore I decided, no matter what, to move at 35.
So I did, even though my situation, financial and social, was very good.
It's very likely that I'll move again in my life, but I'm pretty sure I will never go living back to my former hometown.
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Re: You are all losers - Clarkson

That's one of the best reasons I've ever heard (read!)
I feel pretty much the same......
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Re: You are all losers - Clarkson

Why NRW?

I suppose I shouldn't spend much text on this, because it's not really about Switzerland. Maybe the other guy who said he'd prefer NRW will answer for himself.

Switzerland certainly has decent supermarkets, good infrastructure, beautiful scenery and clear air. But when you have grown up in a large UK city, even Basel and Zurich can seem a bit twee.

There are many threads about people not being allowed to import meat from CH's neighbouring countries, and there is not a lot of other countries nearby if you want a break from the place. Vorarlberg is still twee. Mulhouse has a proper Carrefour, which is nice and yes you could drive to Stuttgart at 240kph, but that's after winding along the single A4/E41 to Schaffhausen and then waiting in a queue to be let out onto a proper free autobahn. I was flashed by cameras 4 times in a few days in CH and wasn't being dangerous and the plates on my car were not then tracable to me due to their national origin. But in Germany you can let rip with the throttle. Switzerland suits small cars and however rich he is the Lac Leman tax exile or Zug executive should step away from the S-class, because it's just ridiculous. The trains make it almost pointless. I am a petrolhead, I don't mind reasonable cameras, but CH seems to give fines as a kind of general top-up wealth tax just like Sweden.

Switzerland is still treating it's borders as if they are still there rather than just some lines. The borders between France, Germany and the Benelux are as good as non-existent.

I also want the Nurburgring and to be near Luxembourg, but to be in NRW so that I can be in a metropolitan, cosmopolitan environment with Dusseldorf's shops and be nice and near to Calais for the tunnel and Belgium aswell, which is basically an English-speaking country. Germany has no wealth tax. It has some major problems in the East, but it is not being packed with ever more people, as is Britain. It has had virtually no terrorism, because it has Turks, who are very moderate compared to Pakistanis. If you asked me what sort of person makes an ideal leader, I would say a scientist and a woman, - and the worst, some sort of unelected, Nixonian one-eyed Scotsman who hates everything English. And that is the difference.

So my point was that I could only live in CH if it was one of many houses, but I still can't see myself affording anything in those Swiss places where everybody speaks English: St. Moritz, Davos, Zermatt, Gstaad, Fechy?, Lausanne?

I know Germany isn't an English-speaking country unless you're next to an American base, but since my family has a villa in Mallorca as well, which is very British and Irish, I don't care and I love to master new languages. To raise children, I would probably choose Stockholm.
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Why NRW?

If you asked me what sort of person makes an ideal leader, I would say a scientist and a woman.
Didn't Margaret Thatcher have a degree in Chemistry?
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Why NRW?

I suppose I shouldn't spend much text on this, because it's not really about Switzerland. Maybe the other guy who said he'd prefer NRW will answer for himself.

Switzerland certainly has decent supermarkets, good infrastructure, beautiful scenery and clear air. But when you have grown up in a large UK city, even Basel and Zurich can seem a bit twee.

There are many threads about people not being allowed to import meat from CH's neighbouring countries, and there is not a lot of other countries nearby if you want a break from the place. Vorarlberg is still twee. Mulhouse has a proper Carrefour, which is nice and yes you could drive to Stuttgart at 240kph, but that's after winding along the single A4/E41 to Schaffhausen and then waiting in a queue to be let out onto a proper free autobahn. I was flashed by cameras 4 times in a few days in CH and wasn't being dangerous and the plates on my car were not then tracable to me due to their national origin. But in Germany you can let rip with the throttle. Switzerland suits small cars and however rich he is the Lac Leman tax exile or Zug executive should step away from the S-class, because it's just ridiculous. The trains make it almost pointless. I am a petrolhead, I don't mind reasonable cameras, but CH seems to give fines as a kind of general top-up wealth tax just like Sweden.

Switzerland is still treating it's borders as if they are still there rather than just some lines. The borders between France, Germany and the Benelux are as good as non-existent.

I also want the Nurburgring and to be near Luxembourg, but to be in NRW so that I can be in a metropolitan, cosmopolitan environment with Dusseldorf's shops and be nice and near to Calais for the tunnel and Belgium aswell, which is basically an English-speaking country. Germany has no wealth tax. It has some major problems in the East, but it is not being packed with ever more people, as is Britain. It has had virtually no terrorism, because it has Turks, who are very moderate compared to Pakistanis. If you asked me what sort of person makes an ideal leader, I would say a scientist and a woman, - and the worst, some sort of unelected, Nixonian one-eyed Scotsman who hates everything English. And that is the difference.

So my point was that I could only live in CH if it was one of many houses, but I still can't see myself affording anything in those Swiss places where everybody speaks English: St. Moritz, Davos, Zermatt, Gstaad, Fechy?, Lausanne?

I know Germany isn't an English-speaking country unless you're next to an American base, but since my family has a villa in Mallorca as well, which is very British and Irish, I don't care and I love to master new languages. To raise children, I would probably choose Stockholm.
That's my take on it as well. Switzerland is NOT the best thing since sliced bread and let's be honest... if it wasn't for the salaries the number of expats would drop by over 90%.
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people leave their countries for many different reasons. i would say that it would be rare for an asset poor person to come to a country purely for tax reasons, which basically rules out a lot of us. for the well off, it might be another story.
I left my country (Australia) for tax reasons. Paying the highest rate of tax straight out of uni wasn't right, and most of it went on the mortgage. My dad was paying more in taxes than my brother and I were earning. Something is scr*wed up there.

They even tried to tax air miles at one point
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That's my take on it as well. Switzerland is NOT the best thing since sliced bread and let's be honest... if it wasn't for the salaries the number of expats would drop by over 90%.
London salaries were much higher my hubsand and I. Over twice as much in fact. Then you factor in having to sit in the tube for an hour a day, no sun (going to work and leaving in the dark and sunset at 3:30pm in winter), filthy streets, small living accomodation, crime (be it car vandalism, break-ins or your garbage bin lids getting stolen every week ). I am much happier here, and I don't really need the extra money. I would only buy cr*p I don't need with it anyway.
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Re: You are all losers - Clarkson

The expat mentality of forever being an exile in a foreign country is not limited to Anglophones. I've found Italians to be just as bad, TBH. My neighbour is Italian and after 40 years in Switzerland has as much German as I have in less than a year here.

And then there are the Germans. Many actively refuse to integrate, seeing Swiss German as some form of Krüppel Sprache, and the Swiss as some form of simple country cousins.

My view is that if you have the skills and decide to migrate for a few years, then you need not integrate (although life is both easier and more enjoyable if you do), but if you end up staying in a country and fail to integrate into it, adopting their culture and customs, just as you introduce yours to them, then really you need to grow up or f**k off home.
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Re: You are all losers - Clarkson

I left my country through sheer ignorance. The season was drawing to a close in Jersey and I'd been offered a permit by a couple who'd enjoyed my hospitality and service during the summer season.

Jersey was tax free to those who earned a pittance Switzerland wasn^t much worse.
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Re: You are all losers - Clarkson

Didn't Margaret Thatcher have a degree in Chemistry?

I thought it was fairly obvious I meant the Chancellor of Germany. Although I will risk a flamewar by saying that there wasn't much wrong with Maggie.

I'd be interested to know what about my post was groan-worthy. Trite? I have little experience of this forum, so some of my points may have been well-worn.

And I'm not trolling when I say this, but Switzerland should join the EU, if only to get the Euro, which as most of the trade is with EU countries, would negate the need to attempt the devaluation of the CHF, which is now being pursued.
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Didn't Margaret Thatcher have a degree in Chemistry?

I thought it was fairly obvious I meant the Chancellor of Germany. Although I will risk a flamewar by saying that there wasn't much wrong with Maggie.
Merkel is a physicst with a PhD in theoretical chemistry.

Thatcher was indeed a chemist. Even less well known is that she was also part of the research team that invented soft serve ice cream.
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Merkel is a physicst with a PhD in theoretical chemistry.

Thatcher was indeed a chemist. Even less well known is that she was also part of the research team that invented soft serve ice cream.
...even less well known was that a research team was needed to develop soft ice-cream
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I thought it was fairly obvious I meant the Chancellor of Germany.
Sorry amrj700, it was obvious you meant Frau Merkel - I was just being cheeky.
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The expat mentality of forever being an exile in a foreign country is not limited to Anglophones. I've found Italians to be just as bad, TBH. My neighbour is Italian and after 40 years in Switzerland has as much German as I have in less than a year here.
Yeah, and even meeting fellow South Africans here in Vaud, they still dress as badly as they did in SA, despite the proximity of France across the lake. I sincerely wish they will integrate.
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Re: You are all losers - Clarkson

Jeremy Clarkson to host BBC show, Have I Got News For You

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-32214799

I hope the catering is satisfactory...
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