Have actually pondered whether to post this thread, and if this is the right place but here goes anyway. This has been prompted by the actions of that well-known footballing Walliser, but also my one of my oldest friends, with whom I have just had the first [and probably the final] barney throughout 48 yeas of friendship.
The older generation of Swiss seem not to be able to move with the times:
SB seems out of touch: my long-standing friend is ultra conservative, has no tolerance for new arrivals in CH, especially those of a different hue, is died in the wool religious [hesitate to say which denomination] and unequivocally votes "no" at each referendum regardless. Additionally, she demands that when a mutual friend's daughter is about to give birth, the parents "must" marry. When I pointed out that one may not interfere in other people's lives, the retort was "moll, moll....muh derf scho öppis sagä" said not once but twice.
Other nationalities of the older generation seem to be able to move on, but it appears that many older generation Swiss are so conservative, both with a small c and a large C that there is little hope of their moving with the times. What do other EFers feel?
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Many of my older generation aunts and uncles have indeed kept up with the times and are relieved that things are not as rigorous as when they grew up. Luckily, you'll find all kinds of people in the world or it would be a very boring life if we all thought the same.
By the way, one person's views shouldn't reflect a whole nationality or generation.
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I know very many older people in the UK, the US, France, Germany, Italy - etc, etc, etc who react like your friend. And many Swiss too - but it is not specifically Swiss. Some regions of Switzerland have many more of 'her type' like the Upper Valais and some of the central K/Cantons. As so often, generalisations are not helpful. Just returned from the UK and met 2 British couples at a Hotel in Calais who seemed to be quite a bit further to the right than Genghis Khan and SO racist - so are some of our UK neighbours and relatives. Same here, same there- some do, some don't.
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Have actually pondered whether to post this thread, and if this is the right place but here goes anyway. This has been prompted by the actions of that well-known footballing Walliser, but also my one of my oldest friends, with whom I have just had the first [and probably the final] barney throughout 48 yeas of friendship.
The older generation of Swiss seem not to be able to move with the times:
SB seems out of touch: my long-standing friend is ultra conservative, has no tolerance for new arrivals in CH, especially those of a different hue, is died in the wool religious [hesitate to say which denomination] and unequivocally votes "no" at each referendum regardless. Additionally, she demands that when a mutual friend's daughter is about to give birth, the parents "must" marry. When I pointed out that one may not interfere in other people's lives, the retort was "moll, moll....muh derf scho öppis sagä" said not once but twice.
Other nationalities of the older generation seem to be able to move on, but it appears that many older generation Swiss are so conservative, both with a small c and a large C that there is little hope of their moving with the times. What do other EFers feel?
> "older generation" ? What does that mean to you ? To me "older generation" are those above 80
> do you really want to say that old people elsewhere are modern, up-to-date and open to new things ? If so, it is YOU who is out of touch, as my experience is that old Americans, Brits, French, Italian and Arabs in many cases are out of touch as much
> do you really want to say that THE "old generation" is that way ? I for decades had the chance to meet very old people (aged 99, 98, 95, 90 for example) who were modern and in touch with changes and welcomed changes
> the idea that parents of a child "must" marry is not specifically Swiss
> racism is not specifically Swiss
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One of my grandmothers (german/swiss, lived in a lot of places) still thinks it's a tragedy that my parents got divorced and it doesn't matter that they both live a happier life now and one of my cousins doesn't have a husband to her child...
my other grandmother (australian, never got out of her town with a population of 900 people) wants to know all about the way of todays youth, drugs and alcohol and is also interested in current politics and different views...
My best friends parents recently told her that they prefer that she is married and miserable than divorced and happy.
She is married to a lying idiot who doesnt care about her at all, cheats on her (she has proof) and basically living the life of a single guy.
Yet her parents accuse her of ruining his life because he gave up his "amazing life" in Greece for her (low paying job and family to support), threaten her, call her all sorts of names because she has (female) friends and dares to go out without him. For them he is an angel and cannot do anything wrong. And they told her they wont have to do anything with her because she will be divorced. Hopefully soon.
They are in their 50s and come from a country were family is number one
When my wife married her first husband, she had already had one child and was pregnant with number two. On top of it, he was Vietnamese!
But, while her mother was shocked (Italian) and her father far less so (Swiss German), those most shocked were the in-laws!
Meanwhile, my stepsons' grandmother (definitely Older Generation Swiss) was always rather OK with the non-standard relationships of her children, daughter had an out of wedlock baby with an Italian, son had several with a Canadian (later his ex-wife and my late wife), and is totally pleased with her first great-grandchild, who is half Thai.
When my wife married her first husband, she had already had one child and was pregnant with number two. On top of it, he was Vietnamese!
But, while her mother was shocked (Italian) and her father far less so (Swiss German), those most shocked were the in-laws!
Meanwhile, my stepsons' grandmother (definitely Older Generation Swiss) was always rather OK with the non-standard relationships of her children, daughter had an out of wedlock baby with an Italian, son had several with a Canadian (later his ex-wife and my late wife), and is totally pleased with her first great-grandchild, who is half Thai.
Tom
I have had to read your post several times till I could get my head around the family demographics!
Think I've worked it out now..........
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Have actually pondered whether to post this thread, and if this is the right place but here goes anyway. This has been prompted by the actions of that well-known footballing Walliser, but also my one of my oldest friends, with whom I have just had the first [and probably the final] barney throughout 48 yeas of friendship.
The older generation of Swiss seem not to be able to move with the times:
SB seems out of touch: my long-standing friend is ultra conservative, has no tolerance for new arrivals in CH, especially those of a different hue, is died in the wool religious [hesitate to say which denomination] and unequivocally votes "no" at each referendum regardless. Additionally, she demands that when a mutual friend's daughter is about to give birth, the parents "must" marry. When I pointed out that one may not interfere in other people's lives, the retort was "moll, moll....muh derf scho öppis sagä" said not once but twice.
Other nationalities of the older generation seem to be able to move on, but it appears that many older generation Swiss are so conservative, both with a small c and a large C that there is little hope of their moving with the times. What do other EFers feel?
You use a sample of two out of about a million to draw your conclusions and still expect us to take you seriously?
Seriously?
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> "older generation" ? What does that mean to you ? To me "older generation" are those above 80
> do you really want to say that old people elsewhere are modern, up-to-date and open to new things ? If so, it is YOU who is out of touch, as my experience is that old Americans, Brits, French, Italian and Arabs in many cases are out of touch as much
> do you really want to say that THE "old generation" is that way ? I for decades had the chance to meet very old people (aged 99, 98, 95, 90 for example) who were modern and in touch with changes and welcomed changes
> the idea that parents of a child "must" marry is not specifically Swiss
> racism is not specifically Swiss
Wolly you just made my day I have a other 10 years to go
But for the OP she is right .I still have a "crew cut ",uhh wait a minute ! ahh never mind
When my wife married her first husband, she had already had one child and was pregnant with number two. On top of it, he was Vietnamese!
But, while her mother was shocked (Italian) and her father far less so (Swiss German), those most shocked were the in-laws!
Meanwhile, my stepsons' grandmother (definitely Older Generation Swiss) was always rather OK with the non-standard relationships of her children, daughter had an out of wedlock baby with an Italian, son had several with a Canadian (later his ex-wife and my late wife), and is totally pleased with her first great-grandchild, who is half Thai.
Tom
As a old swiss fart, I am shocked , but I am happy they all Canadians
The other day we drove through Tonbridge- and I just wanted to buy a card and send it with 'digusted from Tonbridge', lol. Plenty of old farts in the UK I can tell you.
The other day we drove through Tonbridge- and I just wanted to buy a card and send it with 'digusted from Tonbridge', lol. Plenty of old farts in the UK I can tell you.
The other day we drove through Tonbridge- and I just wanted to buy a card and send it with 'digusted from Tonbridge', lol. Plenty of old farts in the UK I can tell you.
Part of the course. Maybe many of us become Grumpy Old Men (and Women) it seems. Has anyone seen 'One Foot in the Grave' on BBC TV? Very funny and is a good example:
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. Additionally, she demands that when a mutual friend's daughter is about to give birth, the parents "must" marry. When I pointed out that one may not interfere in other people's lives, the retort was "moll, moll....muh derf scho öppis sagä" said not once but twice.
Other nationalities of the older generation seem to be able to move on, but it appears that many older generation Swiss are so conservative, both with a small c and a large C that there is little hope of their moving with the times. What do other EFers feel?
Agree with the above post that there are conservatives in every country. Divorce is still quite a taboo amongst the older generation back home for me and if they know their daughter is expecting a child of wedlock, oh there will be hell to pay.
Could someone draw me a family tree picture?
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