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Re: Where Do All The Old People Go!

My 92 year old neighbour is a lazy cow.

She hasn't even taken her newspapers inside for 2 weeks.
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Re: Where Do All The Old People Go!

They either import cheap care takers or export retirees to the sunny cheap countries.
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Old 04.11.2015, 21:57
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They either import cheap care takers or export retirees to the sunny cheap countries.
You sure about that?

Exit... Dignitas... Anyone remember Soylent Green... ever wonder where Aromat comes from...
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Re: Where Do All The Old People Go!

I always wondered what that Fleischkäse was made from.
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Old 04.11.2015, 22:47
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Re: Where Do All The Old People Go!

Do they do a "smoked" variety yet or is it still just plain vanilla ?
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Re: Where Do All The Old People Go!

I wasn't joking. http://www.pflegeheim-philippinen.ch
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Re: Where Do All The Old People Go!

get with the times. One does not say " old age "in Zürich homes. One says " elderly ( Senioren ) ". That home is called Sydelfädli" a State run home. I would not be caught dead there.
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There is a big old age home bang opposite my apartment in Wipkingen. I can find any details if you want. It's a fairly big building - I thing 8-10 floors.

Don't want to sound rude but on a lighter note... If you ever happen to travel on Tram 13, you'll notice that all the senior citizens in the tram get down at stop Waidfussweg! It's just so visible and funny! I call it the oldies-stop! This is where the old age home is.
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Old 06.11.2015, 15:02
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Re: Where Do All The Old People Go!

well I work in an elderly peoples home in Zürich.There is the good side of such institutions and the bad. The workers in such places are generally overburdened and the working hours can be very bad.Relatives generally dont care for their elderly-they push them into homes. In general the man usually dies first and then his wife will be pushed into a home.That is why there are more females in these homes.When they are sick then all their savings disappear very quickly.
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Please can someone help me ascertain what happens to the elderly here in Switzerland? Is there any need for private care? are there enough retirement homes? Do families assume responsibility for their ageing relatives? What happens to the old ex-pats here???
Being a carer in London, I am interested to know what happens here in Switzerland.
Any information greatly appreciated!
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Re: Where Do All The Old People Go!

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I also work in a group home /care home for elderly people here in Switzerland in a small village. The organisation I work in is a new business only set up 2 years ago, I have worked there from the start. Most of the people who live in the home have dementia. I am in charge of the day service.

I totally disagree that Swiss people don't care about their relatives....the majority of the old people have families who visit lots and care immensely about the care their relative receives. In our group home we include the residents and day visitors as much as possible in the day to day activities of the home like cooking, folding the clothes, gardening. We also regularly do other fun activities.
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I think it's a very valid and important question for expats. My understanding is that once your B/C permit expires, your right to live in CH also expires, and you'll peacefully retire in your home country. From several personal experiences I heard, the Swiss pension is so fantastic that it basically gets you a nice villa (probably rented) and seafood platter dinner everyday in Portugal. The seafood can help you live longer.

But once your hands and feet stop moving, I don't know any country that's a retiree's heaven. i.e. cheap, quality healthcare and good public order so you're safe on the streets.
C permits do not 'expire' when you retire in Switzerland. They have to be renewed but that is a formality.

There are privately run retirement homes but the majority are controlled by the local Gemeinde. Eligability will depend on whether you have lived there for a required minimum period (usually 5 years) as well as your needs (health and personal situation).

As a C permit holder with the required length of stay and AHV/IV contributions, you have equal rights regarding entry as a Swiss national. Retirement homes are very expensive but if you are unable to pay in full or your capital runs out, then you may be eligible for Ergänzungsleistung (Financial support from AHV/IV).

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Hi
I also work in a group home /care home for elderly people here in Switzerland in a small village. The organisation I work in is a new business only set up 2 years ago, I have worked there from the start. Most of the people who live in the home have dementia. I am in charge of the day service.

I totally disagree that Swiss people don't care about their relatives....the majority of the old people have families who visit lots and care immensely about the care their relative receives. In our group home we include the residents and day visitors as much as possible in the day to day activities of the home like cooking, folding the clothes, gardening. We also regularly do other fun activities.
I totally agree. Retirement homes have their difficulties finding enough staff with the right qualities and qualifications but with an ageing population, that is a problem in many countries nowadays.
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Old 07.11.2015, 10:43
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Re: Where Do All The Old People Go!

Well I guess its got to do with life style here and the way people live.Most work and don't have the time. And most live separate to parents. In a small villiage its another mentality. I have looked after some here who would be lucky if they got a visit once a month from the children.







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I also work in a group home /care home for elderly people here in Switzerland in a small village. The organisation I work in is a new business only set up 2 years ago, I have worked there from the start. Most of the people who live in the home have dementia. I am in charge of the day service.

I totally disagree that Swiss people don't care about their relatives....the majority of the old people have families who visit lots and care immensely about the care their relative receives. In our group home we include the residents and day visitors as much as possible in the day to day activities of the home like cooking, folding the clothes, gardening. We also regularly do other fun activities.
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Re: Where Do All The Old People Go!

Are you saying this is better in your home country? Certainly NOT the case in the UK, that is for sure.

Here near the French border, 80+% of the staff in the OAP homes in our Valley are French frontaliers. The Home where my parents were only has 12 people and great quality of care. Most of the residents have regular visits from family- some practically daily as most of them are local. We visited my parents practically daily. What I love here, is that all locals attend the same OAP homes, irrespective of income - thos who can pay, pay- the others are paid for by the Commune/Gemeinde- without any difference in care.

It is hugely difficult for the French OAP homes and hospitals to find staff- as they all want to work in CH!
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Re: Where Do All The Old People Go!

In my research into care homes in my area (concentrating on Ausserschwyz and canton Zürich) I've seen wonderful places, I've seen horrible places, and pretty much everything in between.

The same applies to my research and practical experience of care homes in the US - the range of quality of care and services offered is so wide that generalizations probably should be avoided.

What I do know is this: If you think that you or a loved one might need the services of a care home within the near to medium term future start your research now!

In my experience it is the staff, at every level, who are the single most important factor in the patient's quality of life. This is where one should concentrate one's research. Are the staff well paid, do they have decent hours, are staffing levels appropriate to the patient's needs, is regular further training offered/required, what outside resources are brought in, is there a community of volunteers, etc.

But even with the best staff possible, in the best accomodation possible, with the best of services offered, an elderly resident often needs someone outside to act as an advocate, to be involved on a regular basis - be that either family or friends. For many of us who have no family in Switzerland this is a worry, and something we should address if we plan to stay here.

And for the love of (insert deity of choice or lack thereof here), we all need to make explicit, concrete plans for the later years. Whatever your wishes are, please put them down in writing, take steps ahead of time to set up the process as far as you can, including finances. And please, please - discuss your wishes in detail with your families! Don't leave your family scrambling in an emergency, trying to guess what you would want. Make those choices yourself, now.

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Re: Where Do All The Old People Go!

well in 17 years working in elderly care in Switzerland I have never seen any other than Swiss in the homes.Maybe that will change in the next 20 years as the naturalized get older. Or maybe they go back to their birth place.
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In my research into care homes in my area (concentrating on Ausserschwyz and canton Zürich) I've seen wonderful places, I've seen horrible places, and pretty much everything in between.

The same applies to my research and practical experience of care homes in the US - the range of quality of care and services offered is so wide that generalizations probably should be avoided.

What I do know is this: If you think that you or a loved one might need the services of a care home within the near to medium term future start your research now!

In my experience it is the staff, at every level, who are the single most important factor in the patient's quality of life. This is where one should concentrate one's research. Are the staff well paid, do they have decent hours, are staffing levels appropriate to the patient's needs, is regular further training offered/required, what outside resources are brought in, is there a community of volunteers, etc.

But even with the best staff possible, in the best accomodation possible, with the best of services offered, an elderly resident often needs someone outside to act as an advocate, to be involved on a regular basis - be that either family or friends. For many of us who have no family in Switzerland this is a worry, and something we should address if we plan to stay here.

And for the love of (insert deity of choice or lack thereof here), we all need to make explicit, concrete plans for the later years. Whatever your wishes are, please put them down in writing, take steps ahead of time to set up the process as far as you can, including finances. And please, please - discuss your wishes in detail with your families! Don't leave your family scrambling in an emergency, trying to guess what you would want. Make those choices yourself, now.

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well I work in an elderly peoples home in Zürich.There is the good side of such institutions and the bad. The workers in such places are generally overburdened and the working hours can be very bad.Relatives generally dont care for their elderly-they push them into homes. In general the man usually dies first and then his wife will be pushed into a home.That is why there are more females in these homes.When they are sick then all their savings disappear very quickly.
The only old people that I know who have gone to homes have been victims of demetia, the others have all lived out there lives at home.

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Re: Where Do All The Old People Go!

Victims of dementia go to homes that are specifically for the demented.
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The only old people that I know who have gone to homes have been victims of demetia, the others have all lived out there lives at home.

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well in 17 years working in elderly care in Switzerland I have never seen any other than Swiss in the homes.Maybe that will change in the next 20 years as the naturalized get older. Or maybe they go back to their birth place.
People naturalized in Switzerland are exactly as Swiss as the Eidgenossen.
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Yes right. But I have never seen such people in elderly peoples homes.
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Yes right. But I have never seen such people in elderly peoples homes.
Did people you worked with show you confirmation of the reason for their being Swiss for you to know that?

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Victims of dementia go to homes that are specifically for the demented.
Not here.

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