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I'm not sure we can say that without know more details. Remember, the OP only has 1.5 years experience.

Who is the offer from? The agency or the company you will working for?
We certainly could use more details but moving all the way from Uruguay for 50k? It would take years just to recover the costs of the move. Where would the OP live while looking for a flat? In the first year he will be making a loss on that money, so really he will have to invest some of his savings into making the move.
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We certainly could use more details but moving all the way from Uruguay for 50k? It would take years just to recover the costs of the move. Where would the OP live while looking for a flat? In the first year he will be making a loss on that money, so really he will have to invest some of his savings into making the move.
Yes, that's true, fortunately I have been saving for a coupple of months, and I have a aunt that maybe I can stay with her until I find an apartment or, i could go to a hotel 1 month i think... until y get paid and rent an apartment
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Old 02.05.2012, 18:07
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We certainly could use more details but moving all the way from Uruguay for 50k? It would take years just to recover the costs of the move. Where would the OP live while looking for a flat? In the first year he will be making a loss on that money, so really he will have to invest some of his savings into making the move.
Sure. But that's not the employers fault/problem. It sounds to me like a trainee/entry level job. At 50-60K, that's quite normal. Now does the OP want to make the move for that? Maybe, maybe not. As you say, it certainly won't be easy.
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Sure. But that's not the employers fault/problem. It sounds to me like a trainee/entry level job. At 50-60K, that's quite normal. Now does the OP want to make the move for that? Maybe, maybe not. As you say, it certainly won't be easy.
Im not that noobie, plus, they told me that they would be hiring me as a Senior (noobie senior)... thats a plus, a better rol its always good
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Im not that noobie, plus, they told me that they would be hiring me as a Senior (noobie senior)... thats a plus, a better rol its always good
CHF 50k is too low for a "senior" noob!
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Im not that noobie, plus, they told me that they would be hiring me as a Senior (noobie senior)... thats a plus, a better rol its always good
It's questionable though whether any of their statements can be believed or not - words are cheap
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... however they told me that with the time the salary will rise...
don't believe in that,your starting salary is very important, over the years unless you change position your increase will be more or less the inflation...

you can live quite cheap in Switzerland, it all comes down to where you live and what are your standards...

at least 4000 Netto, that's approx. 5000 Brutto (Taxes + AHV/IV). => 12*5000 = 60'000 CHF / year...it's doable, but probably not so much fun...

Example: (once you are "setup")

Salary: +4000
Rent incl. elec/water: -1000
Health insurance: -200
Tele/Mobile: -100
Insurance: -50
Tram/Bus/Train: -100
Food (150/week): -600
TV/Cablecom/internet -100
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-2150 CHF / Month

then you approx. 1800 CHF/ Month for fun, clothing etc

of course you will a lot of "initial" fees / costs / etc.

you should also save some for things that could happen...(illness)
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CHF 50k is too low for a "senior" noob!
Thats true, but at least I get an "upgrade" rol... hahahaha
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Thats true, but at least I get an "upgrade" rol... hahahaha
Of course it's up to you in the end, am just not sure whether you are soaking in the feedback fully enough. Anyway, it's your choice. I think that there is certainly enough information in the previous posts to be going on with.
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don't believe in that,your starting salary is very important, over the years unless you change position your increase will be more or less the inflation...

you can live quite cheap in Switzerland, it all comes down to where you live and what are your standards...

at least 4000 Netto, that's approx. 5000 Brutto (Taxes + AHV/IV). => 12*5000 = 60'000 CHF / year...it's doable, but probably not so much fun...

Example: (once you are "setup")

Salary: +4000
Rent incl. elec/water: -1000
Health insurance: -200
Tele/Mobile: -100
Insurance: -50
Tram/Bus/Train: -100
Food (150/week): -600
TV/Cablecom/internet -100
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-2150 CHF / Month

then you approx. 1800 CHF/ Month for fun, clothing etc

of course you will a lot of "initial" fees / costs / etc.

you should also save some for things that could happen...(illness)


Woow!! that's excellent! I always wanted to know more about how much I would pay for everything... like the internet and cellphone

Anyway, 1800 for "fun and savings", to start in Switzerland its ok, I mean, im a "noob" remember...
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Old 02.05.2012, 18:40
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Of course it's up to you in the end, am just not sure whether you are soaking in the feedback fully enough. Anyway, it's your choice. I think that there is certainly enough information in the previous posts to be going on with.
Yes... and I thank you all for your posts I think for 50k i would take it, and see... if the salary increase i will keep the job, and if it doesn't at the time I should change the job...
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Old 02.05.2012, 18:44
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Woow!! that's excellent! I always wanted to know more about how much I would pay for everything... like the internet and cellphone

Anyway, 1800 for "fun and savings", to start in Switzerland its ok, I mean, im a "noob" remember...
Well you seem pretty determined to take the position, whatever people say, so good luck. But you won't have any scope for saving, so things like (vacation) travel and new gadgets will be off the agenda.

Also, unless I missed it (I haven't read the whole thread) I don't know if the employer is paying relocation costs and moving your furniture and possessions over. If not, you will find it tough to furnish and equip an apartment on that salary. Accommodation here tends to be unfurnished.

Added -- That 1800 figure is VERY ball-park in my view, and remember that a sum like that might sound like a fortune when converted to South American cost of living, but will represent something far smaller here. I seem to be able to spend 50-80 CHF in the supermarket on just a few food items in a basket.
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Well you seem pretty determined to take the position, whatever people say, so good luck. But you won't have any scope for saving, so things like (vacation) travel and new gadgets will be off the agenda.

Also, unless I missed it (I haven't read the whole thread) I don't know if the employer is paying relocation costs and moving your furniture and possessions over. If not, you will find it tough to furnish and equip an apartment on that salary. Accommodation here tends to be unfurnished.
But there are some apartments that comes full equipped... at least that's what i saw... like this one for example "http://housing.justlanded.com/en/Switzerland_Zurich/For-Rent_Apartments/Luxury-Apartment-Near-ETH-Honggerberg-Institute"
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God damned man give a few more details about the job! What are you hiding?
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I'm not sure we can say that without know more details. Remember, the OP only has 1.5 years experience.

Who is the offer from? The agency or the company you will working for?
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I am not sure!
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Woow!! that's excellent! I always wanted to know more about how much I would pay for everything... like the internet and cellphone

Anyway, 1800 for "fun and savings", to start in Switzerland its ok, I mean, im a "noob" remember...
Well remember this is once you have got everything "stabilzed"/settled down, you have already e.g. furnitures, kitchen-appliances, electronics, basic clothing (can be quite expensive if you come from a country which don't have less than 0C degree) etc.

like I said, you can live on pasta and in a run-down apartment in suburb,e.g. (<1000 CHF/Month)
http://www.homegate.ch/mieten/wohnun...tab=list&tid=1
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Sure. But that's not the employers fault/problem. It sounds to me like a trainee/entry level job. At 50-60K, that's quite normal. Now does the OP want to make the move for that? Maybe, maybe not. As you say, it certainly won't be easy.
My take is: the OP has been contacted by an agency for a non-trainee role. The agency will offer him a contract at 50k and charge the end client 120k + for subcontracting the OP to them. If the OP doesn't hit the ground running and do a very convincing job, the agency will sack him. The agency may give him a pay rise if things go well, but nothing special.

Martin, the aunt you say you can stay with - where in Switzerland does she live?
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Hi Martin et al.,

This is a very interesting discussion here.

Minimum salary for an unskilled sales person in Switzerland is 3600 times 13 p.a. and 5 weeks of vacation.

Unskilled workers in hospitality (catering) industry earn 3383 Franks – @ 42 hours per week and 5 weeks of vacation.

Unskilled workers in building industry or farming on temporary jobs work for 3000 p.m.

I believe it all depends on the area where you live. In a city it will be very difficult to survive on that salary, especially if your rent is 850 CHF for a room.

However, everything depends on your expectations and your habits.

I believe that a student certrainly has less money to live on and he or she can manage and even live well.

Good luck!
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Hi Martin et al.,

This is a very interesting discussion here.

Minimum salary for an unskilled sales person in Switzerland is 3600 times 13 p.a. and 5 weeks of vacation.

Unskilled workers in hospitality (catering) industry earn 3383 Franks – @ 42 hours per week and 5 weeks of vacation.

Unskilled workers in building industry or farming on temporary jobs work for 3000 p.m.

I believe it all depends on the area where you live. In a city it will be very difficult to survive on that salary, especially if your rent is 850 CHF for a room.

However, everything depends on your expectations and your habits.

I believe that a student certrainly has less money to live on and he or she can manage and even live well.

Good luck!
Not sure many unskilled workers below 50 get 5 weeks holiday, pretty sure it's 4 weeks below 50 years of age,
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My take is: the OP has been contacted by an agency for a non-trainee role. The agency will offer him a contract at 50k and charge the end client 120k + for subcontracting the OP to them. If the OP doesn't hit the ground running and do a very convincing job, the agency will sack him. The agency may give him a pay rise if things go well, but nothing special.

Martin, the aunt you say you can stay with - where in Switzerland does she live?
Lucky for me, she lives in Zurich , so you say that the agency might keep with a HUGE amount of the salary? OMG...
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