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Not sure many unskilled workers below 50 get 5 weeks holiday, pretty sure it's 4 weeks below 50 years of age,
Hahahha so my salary would be like an unskilled worker? hahahaha
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Old 02.05.2012, 20:43
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Hahahha so my salary would be like an unskilled worker? hahahaha
well, at least you find it funny.

The contract you are being offered - is it with the agency or with the client?
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Not sure many unskilled workers below 50 get 5 weeks holiday, pretty sure it's 4 weeks below 50 years of age,
It all depends on you ability to negotiate and on the fact how many alternatives you have. The more alternatives, the better your initial position.

BTW I took the figures published in Blick from January this year. It is easy to find them in the internet.

Of course, the more people accept lower salaries, plus less vacation, the easier it gets for employers to redesign their budgets.

And with regard to alternative I went once to a seminar and there was a simple tool - and it works - the tool was to write the word

A L T E R N A T I V E on a piece of paper

and to stick in a visible place.

Mind you, this was the best tool I ever learned and used. It works magic
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Old 02.05.2012, 20:51
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Hi! Today a company offer me a job in Zurich, and the salary is going to be 3400 Ch Fr. can someone live with that amount? Its going to be for 1 person, since Im moving alone...




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Old 02.05.2012, 20:52
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Added -- That 1800 figure is VERY ball-park in my view, and remember that a sum like that might sound like a fortune when converted to South American cost of living, but will represent something far smaller here. I seem to be able to spend 50-80 CHF in the supermarket on just a few food items in a basket.
You'd be surprised. Having just got back from living in South America myself, I can tell you my salary goes much further here than it did there as a % of income. Although I'm not saying that this is a good deal for the OP.

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But there are some apartments that comes full equipped... at least that's what i saw... like this one for example "http://housing.justlanded.com/en/Switzerland_Zurich/For-Rent_Apartments/Luxury-Apartment-Near-ETH-Honggerberg-Institute"
Be very very careful. If it looks too good to be true it probably is. There are lots of apartment scams out there and this could very well be one of them.

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My take is: the OP has been contacted by an agency for a non-trainee role. The agency will offer him a contract at 50k and charge the end client 120k + for subcontracting the OP to them. If the OP doesn't hit the ground running and do a very convincing job, the agency will sack him. The agency may give him a pay rise if things go well, but nothing special.
That's basically what we've all be trying to tell him. He's not listening though.


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Hahahha so my salary would be like an unskilled worker? hahahaha
That's basically what we are trying to tell you but you are really not listening.
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this whole thread smells.
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Old 02.05.2012, 21:03
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this whole thread smells.
you think it's a wind up? you could be right!

Matin, as the gringos say, it's time to sh*t or get off the pot!

Who is offering you what? We want answers!
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Old 02.05.2012, 21:07
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well, at least you find it funny.

The contract you are being offered - is it with the agency or with the client?
If the life gives you lemons, do a lemonade

I think its with the agency... because i may heard that I would have to travel to UK to sign a contract...
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Re: Can someone live with this salary there?

HIEE,

it depends u stay in which area but any ways salary offered to you is very less its not eassy because evry thing is very expensive ...
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Re: Can someone live with this salary there?

Yawn... perhaps it would be time to close this post?
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Old 02.05.2012, 21:27
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But there are some apartments that comes full equipped... at least that's what i saw... like this one for example "http://housing.justlanded.com/en/Switzerland_Zurich/For-Rent_Apartments/Luxury-Apartment-Near-ETH-Honggerberg-Institute"
Scam.
chf 700 for a 30 m2 furnished flat ? When I came to Switzerland 4 years ago, I paid chf 2200 for 24 m2 furnished for the first month.

30 m2 is just 5*6 meter of space, and judging from the pictures, it is way bigger. There is no contact details, so there is probably a story about an owner, who is unable to come to Switerland, but you can get the flat if you pay the deposit through western union.

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Old 02.05.2012, 21:30
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Minimum salary for an unskilled sales person in Switzerland is 3600 times 13 p.a. and 5 weeks of vacation.

Unskilled workers in hospitality (catering) industry earn 3383 Franks – @ 42 hours per week and 5 weeks of vacation.
Minimum vacation for any job here is four weeks, NOT five!

Also, that's for a SKILLED sales person (i.e. with a Swiss diploma), but still four weeks vacation.

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Old 02.05.2012, 21:35
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Minimum vacation for any job here is four weeks, NOT five!

Also, that's for a SKILLED sales person (i.e. with a Swiss diploma), but still four weeks vacation.

Tom
But over 50s can get up to six weeks, I believe? (Not that it's really relevant here)
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Old 02.05.2012, 21:48
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Well remember this is once you have got everything "stabilzed"/settled down, you have already e.g. furnitures, kitchen-appliances, electronics, basic clothing (can be quite expensive if you come from a country which don't have less than 0C degree) etc.

like I said, you can live on pasta and in a run-down apartment in suburb,e.g. (<1000 CHF/Month)
I was paying CHF 250/month when I lived in Zurich, but that was in the late '80s.

Unfurnished, single room, with a floor bath.

Lived there four years (two of which, married, but my wife officially lived in Zurich City). She also paid about the same, so we had a town home and a country home for a total of CHF 500/month!

Very nice, as it allowed me to pay off all my US student loans early, plus get her out of debt.

My kitchen existed of a raclette grill (which , 26 years later, I still have), a food processor, and a taco press.

Ah, the good old days!

Tom

P.S. But this was 25 years ago, and I was making more than 6k x 13.

P.P.S. Of course, the dollar was worth about twice then what it is now, so it's all relative!
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If the life gives you lemons...
Pass the tequila

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Scam.
Yup!
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I think its with the agency... because i may heard that I would have to travel to UK to sign a contract...


The alarm bells just got louder.

Avoid.
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The alarm bells just got louder.

Avoid.
This is a miserable thread and should be closed. Either it's a wind-up for us or the OP should decide what to do and close the discussion
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Re: Can someone live with this salary there?

OK, just for the record and to counter all the arguments from people who apparently arrived here on an expat contract...

1. Getting your first three years of work experience isn't easy. In Germany my generation got known as "generation internship" as companies simply stopped to do the fair and decent thing to offer starters a somewhat ok-ish salary but expected them to work basically for free till they were fully qualified. That was a decade ago and since then did the European economy not exactly improve...

2. When I finished university with two degrees but no work experience besides a six month internship did the company I made the internship at offer me something fairly similar: 3600 CHF gross for the first six months. They had a hiring freeze and could not get a headcount, so they offered me a "internship" and added 50% of the normal internship salary. I did not save a penny in those six months in Zurich, but I was not exactly hungry either... my company managed to get the headcount and then I got a work contract with significant salary increases every six month for the first years - starting from 4500 to some 7000. Then I left because the salary was still low and the HR started to argue that "from a percentage perspective did you get the largest increases of the entire company in the last years!"... so I left for a company where the HR calculated in numbers, not ratios.

Was it a rip off? Absolutely. I strongly believe that fresh graduates deserve a decent contract and not keep them on their toes with "move here for no money and then we will look what we can do..."

Was it worth it? It was a great job in my case and a great reference that got me future jobs. So I simply accept the loss in salary as the costs to make this particular experience.

Is the OP in the same situation? That depends on the exact job they offered him... does it have the potential that you want to stay there longer? Frankly does the "I have to fly to the UK to sign the contract" ring more than one alarm bell...
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Hey OP you sleeping there?
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This is a miserable thread and should be closed. Either it's a wind-up for us or the OP should decide what to do and close the discussion
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Is the OP in the same situation? That depends on the exact job they offered him... does it have the potential that you want to stay there longer? Frankly does the "I have to fly to the UK to sign the contract" ring more than one alarm bell...
I agree with you that we need to work hard for little money when we start out. The "problem" is the agency thing. There seems to be more and more shady sounding dealings going on with these UK contracts. I'm not sure what it is, but it doesn't sound right at all.
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