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Old 19.03.2015, 13:20
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Re: Expat vs. Immigrant

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as best as I can tell, an "expat" is akin to a distant relative stopping by with a couple bottle of wines and a grocery bag of food for a long weekend, and an "immigrant" is like a neighbor who just lost his job and asks to stay for a while in your basement while he "gets back on his feet".

I thought an "expat" is the person who goes to the Migros/Coop/Denner etc, can't find the stuff they bought "back home" and created a market for online retailers of every possible food item...and Japanese nappies
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Old 19.03.2015, 13:35
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Re: Expat vs. Immigrant

In social sciences, there is only migration study. In the field, the term migrants refer to any person who moves. This does not have a negative tone. And this includes expatriates. Presumably expatriate refers to skilled migrants as the term usually refers to those who move due to job or (mainly multinational/transnational) company transfers, then the term skilled migrants are often used in the study.
The negative tone of immigrant depends on the case being studied or the local context where the subject is being discussed.
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Old 19.03.2015, 23:28
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Re: Expat vs. Immigrant

Since most of the people in this forum have moved to Switzerland from somewhere else, you are in a better position than me to define the difference. As far as I'm concerned, an expat is someone who merely lives abroad while an immigrant actually goes through the steps to become a citizen of the country they are living in.
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Old 20.03.2015, 09:55
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Since most of the people in this forum have moved to Switzerland from somewhere else, you are in a better position than me to define the difference. As far as I'm concerned, an expat is someone who merely lives abroad while an immigrant actually goes through the steps to become a citizen of the country they are living in.
A citizenship is only a piece of paper made by the government, and is about as meaningless as all the other pieces of paper governments make. It doesn't say anything about that person's attitudes, allegiances or why they chose (or were forced) to become a citizen.

According to the above logic, if I were to go an a two day vacation to New York with Boris Johnson, he'd be an immigrant and I'd be an expat.
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Old 20.03.2015, 10:00
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Re: Expat vs. Immigrant

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I agree with that - having lived other places I am not "from" but at the same time felt less "outside" the native culture, so-to-speak. There is some quality in CH, very hard to pinpoint, where one is not specifically made to feel on the outside, but there remains an almost transparent membrane between native/non-native.

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Old 14.04.2015, 05:16
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Re: Expat vs. Immigrant

Expat and Immigrant are practically and basically synonyms , if it were not because they mean diferent things , expat comes from expatriate (ex=out+patria=country; expatria=out of country), meanwhile migration is the act of moving from a country to another one, be it im-(inward) or e-(outward).
But all expats are immigrants and all immigrants are expats.

It would be more correct to call an exile, a refugee or a person banished and stripped from his/her citizenship ; it would be more precise to call them expats rather than immigrants(which are usually willing to move).

Beyond those cases they would be practically used exactly the same way, or atleast when used as an adjective it would apply to the same persons, but one remains being the act of not being in his own country, and the other being the act of actually moving.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/expatriate

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/immigrant
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Re: Expat vs. Immigrant

If one is white, preferably Anglo-Saxon, one is an expat. If one is anything else (like myself), one is an immigrant. The former implies entitlement, the latter is a nuisance at best.
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Old 14.04.2015, 10:12
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If one is white, preferably Anglo-Saxon, one is an expat. If one is anything else (like myself), one is an immigrant.
Nonsense.

I'm white, and an immigrant, not an expat (except in the US legal sense ).

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Nonsense.

I'm white, and an immigrant, not an expat (except in the US legal sense ).

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Old 14.04.2015, 10:20
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Re: Expat vs. Immigrant

I'm an emigrant. If I get a Swiss passport, will I be an inpat?

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Old 14.04.2015, 10:29
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Expat and Immigrant are practically and basically synonyms , if it were not because they mean diferent things , expat comes from expatriate (ex=out+patria=country; expatria=out of country), meanwhile migration is the act of moving from a country to another one, be it im-(inward) or e-(outward).
But all expats are immigrants and all immigrants are expats.
Maybe not.

There has been migration long before there was a thing such a concept as a country. So migration can occur independently of country. Expat is defined by moving from one country to another.

So all expats are migrants but not all migrants are expats.

And sorry to Godwinize, but under the Nazi regime for example, a lot of people who didn't agree with what the Nazis were doing but who were unable to physically emmigrate went into what they called "innere emmigration", meaning some just went into passive protest mode and others tried to obstruct the system as much as possible without actually crossing any lines that would get them into trouble.
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Maybe not.

There has been migration long before there was a thing such a concept as a country. So migration can occur independently of country. Expat is defined by moving from one country to another.

So all expats are migrants but not all migrants are expats.

And sorry to Godwinize, but under the Nazi regime for example, a lot of people who didn't agree with what the Nazis were doing but who were unable to physically emmigrate went into what they called "innere emmigration", meaning some just went into passive protest mode and others tried to obstruct the system as much as possible without actually crossing any lines that would get them into trouble.
Whatever, somebody who immigrates into Switzerland is an IIMIGRANT, regardless of self-estimation. And this is LAW
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Re: Expat vs. Immigrant

There's the legal definition and then the common usage definition. They're not always the same. And it seems common usage varies extensively. Interestingly, immigration is an anagram of mi aim, gin rot.
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Maybe not.

There has been migration long before there was a thing such a concept as a country. So migration can occur independently of country. Expat is defined by moving from one country to another.

So all expats are migrants but not all migrants are expats.

And sorry to Godwinize, but under the Nazi regime for example, a lot of people who didn't agree with what the Nazis were doing but who were unable to physically emmigrate went into what they called "innere emmigration", meaning some just went into passive protest mode and others tried to obstruct the system as much as possible without actually crossing any lines that would get them into trouble.
Based on what you said, is Snowden an expat or an immigrant?
Because I would call him and expat but I highly doubt we can call him an immigrant.
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Based on what you said, is Snowden an expat or an immigrant?
Because I would call him and expat but I highly doubt we can call him an immigrant.

Simply an IMMIGRANT (into Russia) and an EMIGRANT from the USA
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Re: Expat vs. Immigrant

My goodness, after several pages we haven't yet reached a conclusion?
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Re: Expat vs. Immigrant

Funny no-one's mentioned job contracts - when we lived in Zug, there was always a point, around 2-3 years after arriving that friends on 'expat' contracts would either vanish to another posting, or suddenly find themselves on a 'local' contract, which didn't cover all the extras they had become used to (high wage, relocation costs, international school fees, car rental, sometimes even house rental).

It's perfectly possible to live in an 'expat bubble' for a Brit in Zug if you're on expat wages - many firms have English as their in-house language, lots of UK products are available at the supermarkets or expat shops, UK tv on cable, pubs like the Pickwick show UK sports, and the chatter is predominantly English. After a while, those people who miss the UK enough to keep up an expat lifestyle tend to move 'home', while others find they've put down roots and home is now here.

An immigrant benefits from none of the advantages offered to the expat, can't afford to hire a 'relocation consultant' to insulate them from the shock of a new culture/language, and so has to struggle harder to make a life for themselves away from their home country. But after a while I think the decision is the same; they either stay or go.
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My goodness, after several pages we haven't yet reached a conclusion?
Nope, but the discussion has reached an unsuspected profoundness: is Edward Snowden an expat or an immigrant? Now that's a question!
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