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Re: Lance Armstrong charged with doping by USADA

I wonder if all the runner ups will be declared winners, if he losses his titles. Of course only, if they haven't been found guilty of doping themselves in the meanwhile. Alas, Jan Ulrich has...
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Old 26.08.2012, 01:26
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It was several times, but for some reason the USADA decided to go after him and were determined to find him guilty regardless. I want to know exactly what proof they have, apart from some people saying they'd seen him doping. If they've analysed blood/urine samples and found what no one else has found then okay, but if it's just on peoples' word, sorry that's not enough, especially as they've made such a witch hunt out of it. Like it or not America still, supposedly, works on the principle of innocent until proven guilty. Show me the proof USADA; until that happens I say Lance is innocent of the charges.

And they have no power/authority to strip him of his titles, that decision is up to the IOC/Tour de France organisers. USADA have no say whatsoever.
It's an amazing thing this has all become. It's takes them, what seems like a thousand different kinds of tests, over years of time, closing the case, re opening it, closing it again, and on and on, but when a parolee takes a urine test for a drug test they seem to get it right on the first go. Or two.
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Old 26.08.2012, 01:45
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Re: Lance Armstrong charged with doping by USADA

since this guy has passed all the doping tests so far, i wonder they'll just scrap the testing. after all, what's the point of testing before, during and after all these races, year after year, if you just throw it all out of the window on the basis that you've found a handful of people willing to testify against you?

you might as well scrap drug testing and just call for witnesses.
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Old 26.08.2012, 23:12
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Re: Lance Armstrong charged with doping by USADA

Typical American agency. They are there to regulate American Olympic athletes yet believe they have the authority to regulate every athlete in every sport in every corner of the globe. FFS
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Re: Lance Armstrong charged with doping by USADA

Some interesting thoughts about (non)morality in similar cases:
http://www.skepticblog.org/2012/09/1...-immoral-acts/
I must say I agree. Even if every single one of them doped and thus Lance was really best at that time (or had best stuff & doctor), society should not allow such a behavior. It goes against every principle competitive sports were invented (ie Pierre de Coubertin).
Practical enforcement is another story, but there should always be real threat of lifelong ban and stripping of all achieved titles... just because many do it, it doesn't make it OK.
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Old 27.09.2012, 22:50
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Re: Lance Armstrong charged with doping by USADA

Interesting that the USADA haven't managed to deliver their report to the UCI yet. Supposed to be out by 15th October, but as they've already sanctioned him why the delay? Surely it's not because they don't actually have any evidence?
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Old 11.10.2012, 20:07
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Interesting that the USADA haven't managed to deliver their report to the UCI yet. Supposed to be out by 15th October, but as they've already sanctioned him why the delay? Surely it's not because they don't actually have any evidence?
No, it's not. The report is out now. Here's the key part of the associated statement:

"The evidence shows beyond any doubt that the US Postal Service Pro Cycling Team ran the most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program that sport has ever seen.The evidence of the US Postal Service Pro Cycling Team-run scheme is overwhelming and is in excess of 1000 pages, and includes sworn testimony from 26 people, including 15 riders with knowledge of the US Postal Service Team (USPS Team) and its participantsí doping activities. The evidence also includes direct documentary evidence including financial payments, emails, scientific data and laboratory test results that further prove the use, possession and distribution of performance enhancing drugs by Lance Armstrong and confirm the disappointing truth about the deceptive activities of the USPS Team, a team that received tens of millions of American taxpayer dollars in funding. "

I told you so.
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Old 11.10.2012, 20:25
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Re: Lance Armstrong charged with doping by USADA

The simple truth is that Lance will still be remembered as a legend of the cycling fraternity
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Old 11.10.2012, 20:37
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The simple truth is that Lance will still be remembered as a legend of the cycling fraternity
Indeed, in a fraternity, the word is well chosen, full of liars, cheats and bullies Lance was the best.
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Old 11.10.2012, 20:47
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Re: Lance Armstrong charged with doping by USADA

Ultimately, most people couldn't care less.

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Old 11.10.2012, 22:19
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Ultimately, most people couldn't care less.

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A depressing thought. So the ends justify the means.
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Old 11.10.2012, 22:58
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No, as most people don't care about the ends, either.

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Old 11.10.2012, 23:13
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I am afraid that he will be remembered as the biggest scam in sport history
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Old 12.10.2012, 11:14
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I am afraid that he will be remembered as the biggest scam in sport history
I'm not so sure. In spite of all the doping he still had to ride the bike. He clearly had natural talent in addition to chemical assistance. You could pump me full of as many performance-enhancing drugs as any of them, and I still would not complete one leg of the Tour de France.
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Old 12.10.2012, 11:32
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Re: Lance Armstrong charged with doping by USADA

Sure he still has to ride that bike, but so do every other competitor, who doesn't get to wear those yellow jerseys. Spare a thought for this guy when he gave his all and still get blew off the water...

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Old 12.10.2012, 11:39
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Sure he still has to ride that bike, but so do every other competitor, who doesn't get to wear those yellow jerseys. Spare a thought for this guy when he gave his all and still get blew off the water...
I am not discounting the efforts of other competitors that may not have doped (unlikely, I think they all did/do to some extent). I am just saying that one still has to have a little natural ability to compete at that level.
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I'm not so sure. In spite of all the doping he still had to ride the bike. He clearly had natural talent in addition to chemical assistance. You could pump me full of as many performance-enhancing drugs as any of them, and I still would not complete one leg of the Tour de France.
Of course he had a natural talent but his competitors were talented too. Imagine you are driving the Tour de France without doping, are struggling somewhere in the back of the peloton and years later you read that the guys in front of you are there because of doping. How would you feel?
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Re: Lance Armstrong charged with doping by USADA

Anyone else wondering why if US Postal ran such a brilliant undercover doping scheme which foxed cycling officials for years that they couldn't use some key instigators to get the damn post delivered a bit quicker across state?
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Old 12.10.2012, 12:26
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Anyone else wondering why if US Postal ran such a brilliant undercover doping scheme which foxed cycling officials for years that they couldn't use some key instigators to get the damn post delivered a bit quicker across state?
I did

The only obvious solution here is to allow drugs and see who can bike the fastest and still survive.
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Old 12.10.2012, 12:30
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Re: Lance Armstrong charged with doping by USADA

@Olygirl

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