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Old 12.10.2012, 13:16
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It's Diana, Goddess of the Hunt. She brings luck to the local hunters, especially in Braunwald.

She also casts a spell on all fanatic cyclists.
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Anyone else wondering why if US Postal ran such a brilliant undercover doping scheme which foxed cycling officials for years that they couldn't use some key instigators to get the damn post delivered a bit quicker across state?
Also wondering why what is essentially a public service that was nearly bankrupt a few years back was ever pumping millions of dollars into any sport. Let alone one which is not really big in the USA.
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Old 12.10.2012, 16:17
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Re: Lance Armstrong charged with doping by USADA

Isn't he now the only one who was on the US Postal Team at the time who hasn't owned up to using drugs?

He really ought to man up.
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Old 12.10.2012, 18:23
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It's Diana, Goddess of the Hunt. She brings luck to the local hunters, especially in Braunwald.

She also casts a spell on all fanatic cyclists.
Well, I am a fanatically predatory cyclist...so I say bring it on
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Re: Lance Armstrong charged with doping by USADA

I just wonder if his whole team was in on it and so many of them famous. How did he out of all of them always win? Think they would of split up winning among themselves if they were all cheating as said. I must admit now he does look guilty of cheating. But its been so long ago they did do a witch hunt on him. Too bad the charities are going to be the ones suffering.
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Old 12.10.2012, 21:54
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I just wonder if his whole team was in on it and so many of them famous. How did he out of all of them always win? Think they would of split up winning among themselves if they were all cheating as said. I must admit now he does look guilty of cheating. But its been so long ago they did do a witch hunt on him. Too bad the charities are going to be the ones suffering.
There's plenty of books that explain how these multi-stage races work but some members of the team basically work as servants (domestiques) to ensure their selected leader is in the best position to win a stage.
There are various ways they do this.

Splitting the winnings (a different rider for each stage) would be the best way of ensuring another team won.
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Re: Lance Armstrong charged with doping by USADA

I think its better to give him peace now, it's too late for the USADA. what they can do now, is to control them better before going for any competition.
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Old 12.10.2012, 22:18
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I think its better to give him peace now, it's too late for the USADA. what they can do now, is to control them better before going for any competition.
That doesn't solve anything, nor is it much of a deterrent to the next dude that's going to dope up.

Fact is, the whole of the professional cycle racing is so embroiled in this cluster of a situation, that I don't see a way of anyone having a brilliant multilateral solution that both respects clean results whilst punishing the cheaters and puts an end to the confusion.
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Re: Lance Armstrong charged with doping by USADA

This is why mountain biking rules. Ride the Divide. No dope in this race nor any teams either. Banff to Mexico along the continental divide. Man up instead of dope up.

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That doesn't solve anything, nor is it much of a deterrent to the next dude that's going to dope up.

Fact is, the whole of the professional cycle racing is so embroiled in this cluster of a situation, that I don't see a way of anyone having a brilliant multilateral solution that both respects clean results whilst punishing the cheaters and puts an end to the confusion.
Not whilst there are so many apologists for the actions of cheats, I agree

By the way, since the report was issued, the EF conspiracy mob seem to have quietened down a bit
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Re: Lance Armstrong charged with doping by USADA

LA was just one of many GC contenders cheating at the time: he was just better organised and disciplined than most of the others. So it does somewhat diminish the competition aspect of the case.

But what really upsets me, is that he has built his whole "Livestrong" organisation on fraudulent basis: that a cancer sufferer can cleanly rise from the ashes and be a champion. He's made a fortune peddling snake oil. And that he is not prepared to admit to it in the face of overwhelming evidence makes me doubt even the cancer story: in order to have testicular cancer, you need balls to start with!
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Old 17.10.2012, 17:06
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Re: Lance Armstrong charged with doping by USADA

Ooh, Lance must have read my post:

Lance stands down as Livestrong chairman

And Nike have pulled the trigger also
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Old 17.10.2012, 17:16
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Re: Lance Armstrong charged with doping by USADA

Nike have dropped him too.

They are still supporting the Livestrong foundation though. I bet a condition of doing this was for him to step down as chairman.

I don't suppose many will want him as an after-dinner or motivational speaker either, anymore.
(I suppose the banks might).
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I don't suppose many will want him as an after-dinner or motivational speaker either, anymore.
(I suppose the banks might).
He might help them prepare for the LIBOR case..
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Re: Lance Armstrong charged with doping by USADA

What a shame and my heart goes out to all those cancer victims who thought they had a true hero.

but what right does the USADA have to strip him of his titles? Do they think they rule the world of sports?
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LA was just one of many GC contenders cheating at the time: he was just better organised and disciplined than most of the others.
Doesn't that count as winning too?
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Old 17.10.2012, 22:32
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Re: Lance Armstrong charged with doping by USADA

I know a lot of people with cancer (they don't like to be referred to as victims, by the way), who still support LA and the work Livestrong has done - it's provided a lot of support for people adjusting to life during and after cancer treatment. Many of them feel that LA inspired them to go on. Although I guess if he came in 3rd or 4th in the tour, people wouldn't be so inspired? Still it's a big accomplishment if you've gone through these treatments which basically suck. I don't know how I feel about this myself - I'm fairly jaded about professional sports - too much money. I'm not involved in Livestrong either although I have been treated for cancer. I've always found it to be a little cultish - but friends of mine are into it.

One thing that Livestrong supporters are asking is why does Nike support Tiger Woods, Michael Vick, others who've done fairly immoral things and aren't the best examples of ethical behavior - and why did Nike drop LA after the USADA report hit, not before? It's all about the money, in some ways.
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This is why mountain biking rules. Ride the Divide. No dope in this race nor any teams either. Banff to Mexico along the continental divide. Man up instead of dope up.

Downloaded this film from Itunes a few months ago. Pretty interesting and eye opening.
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I know a lot of people with cancer (they don't like to be referred to as victims, by the way), who still support LA and the work Livestrong has done - it's provided a lot of support for people adjusting to life during and after cancer treatment. Many of them feel that LA inspired them to go on. Although I guess if he came in 3rd or 4th in the tour, people wouldn't be so inspired? Still it's a big accomplishment if you've gone through these treatments which basically suck. I don't know how I feel about this myself - I'm fairly jaded about professional sports - too much money. I'm not involved in Livestrong either although I have been treated for cancer. I've always found it to be a little cultish - but friends of mine are into it.

One thing that Livestrong supporters are asking is why does Nike support Tiger Woods, Michael Vick, others who've done fairly immoral things and aren't the best examples of ethical behavior - and why did Nike drop LA after the USADA report hit, not before? It's all about the money, in some ways.
Although LA started Livestrong, they are two separate entities, and like you I think the work Livestrong does is fantastic...lets not also forget other such organisations that do the same thing.

But LA has profited personally from professing to be clean..it's his denial in the face of the freight-train load of evidence that makes it worthy of his loss of titles. Tiger Woods never professed to being moral nor were his achievements based on doping (in fact the opposite, Tiger achieved better results when he was dumping Testosterone!) ...and he did have to balls to own up to it in the end.

I don't deny LA achieved great physical achievements on a "level playing field", but his dishonesty and cowardess are rapidly overshadowing all this.
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Re: Lance Armstrong charged with doping by USADA

I'm thinking of asking him for a refund on his biographical books.

I realise now that they are a work of fiction and I thought they were true accounts of his life.


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