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Police control while waiting in train-station?

Good morning everyone
I am new here on English forum and in Switzerland.
The other day I was in a train station walking to gleins 2 in Ruchterswil. As I was walking up the stars from the tunnel to the gleins I felt a slight tap on my hip by my belt. I was thinking, who could that be? I turn around and I see 2 big guys in civilian clothing and they show an ID similar to my auslander ausweis, pink and regular size where it was written big POLIZEI. They told me they are polizei and asked me to walk back down to the bottom of the stairs in the tunnel. I told them that I only speak English and they told me that it's a polize control and they want to see a passport. I gave them my auslander ausweis and while one was watching me like I was a criminal, the other was calling to check me in the system. After which I heard him say in German, no open warrants. He handed back my ID and I ran to catch my train.

Was a very interesting experience for a Friday evening at 8PM.

Is this something that is common in Switzerland and what is the purpose of these checks? Are they mandatory?
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Re: Police control while waiting in train-station?

Probably were looking for someone specific and you just happened to be around, unlike the police in the UK the ones on the continent actually have power and do their job in a direct manner
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Re: Police control while waiting in train-station?

Yep, don't ever leave home without ID.

Weird I know but In 5 years I haven't been controlled once. An english friend of mine who looks a little middle eastern, was controlled regularly. Never bothered him though to my amazement...
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Re: Police control while waiting in train-station?

They were probably looking for the Neuchatel refugees on a previous thread. Things work that quick in Switzerland.
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Probably were looking for someone specific and you just happened to be around, unlike the police in the UK the ones on the continent actually have power and do their job in a direct manner
Perhaps you looked similar to the person for whom they were searching?

As long as they are professional and courteous, I would chalk it down as a one-off and something to be expected infrequently in any country...
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Re: Police control while waiting in train-station?

What would have happened if I just ignored them and kept walking? Would they tackle me and arrest me?




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As long as they are professional and courteous, I would chalk it down as a one-off and something to be expected infrequently in any country...
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Re: Police control while waiting in train-station?

You already know the answer to that question its not worth answering it here!
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Re: Police control while waiting in train-station?

I ask because at first I thought that it could be any criminal posing as police... That happens very often in Europe...




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Good morning everyone
I am new here on English forum and in Switzerland.
The other day I was in a train station walking to gleins 2 in Ruchterswil. As I was walking up the stars from the tunnel to the gleins I felt a slight tap on my hip by my belt. I was thinking, who could that be? I turn around and I see 2 big guys in civilian clothing and they show an ID similar to my auslander ausweis, pink and regular size where it was written big POLIZEI. They told me they are polizei and asked me to walk back down to the bottom of the stairs in the tunnel. I told them that I only speak English and they told me that it's a polize control and they want to see a passport. I gave them my auslander ausweis and while one was watching me like I was a criminal, the other was calling to check me in the system. After which I heard him say in German, no open warrants. He handed back my ID and I ran to catch my train.

Was a very interesting experience for a Friday evening at 8PM.

Is this something that is common in Switzerland and what is the purpose of these checks? Are they mandatory?
are you non white?
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are you non white?
I am a white american, physically larger than the regular swiss and with a small beard. Is that reason enough for such a check? I find it easy for criminals to take similar actions. But obviously swiss looking individuals would not be targeted and therefore if this happened to they they would call the police?
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I ask because at first I thought that it could be any criminal posing as police... That happens very often in Europe...
Very good point. If you have any doubt, you are clearly allowed to inspect the identification for yourself.

It is also clear that they wanted you down, off the stairs. For their protection as well as yours.
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are you non white?
This remark in itself is highly racist assuming only non whites look criminal, didnt you realise some of the biggest criminals are actually white!
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Re: Police control while waiting in train-station?

its very rare .. but it can happen
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I am a white american, physically larger than the regular swiss and with a small beard. Is that reason enough for such a check? I find it easy for criminals to take similar actions. But obviously swiss looking individuals would not be targeted and therefore if this happened to they they would call the police?
In this case, if your appearance matches a person they are looking for, then their asking is understandable. If they heard you speaking English or with an accent, another reason to check. If they were rude or physical with you in any way... then you have reason to question their intentions. It would have been kind of them to explain the reason for their ID check.

On the lighter side... just think what would have happened if you had run from the cops in the states... bang, bang... or end up with a M16 in your face Then they would confiscate your shoes because they may have a feeling that you are transporting drugs while wearing them
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Re: Police control while waiting in train-station?

in the states the police cant check on people going about their business... on the ether hand the population in the states is 310 million compared to 7 million swiss.


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In this case, if your appearance matches a person they are looking for, then their asking is understandable. If they heard you speaking English or with an accent, another reason to check. If they were rude or physical with you in any way... then you have reason to question their intentions. It would have been kind of them to explain the reason for their ID check.

On the lighter side... just think what would have happened if you had run from the cops in the states... bang, bang... or end up with a M16 in your face Then they would confiscate your shoes because they may have a feeling that you are transporting drugs while wearing them
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in the states the police cant check on people going about their business... on the ether hand the population in the states is 310 million compared to 7 million swiss.
So in other words the police in the states are useless, how do they tell a normal person from a criminal. Any police should be able to ask any person when there is a need to find known criminals inthe area. The suggestion of not being allowed to check someone going about their business is crazy so I only need to say I dont feel like answering you and I havent done anything for a policeman to be unable to challenge me - how stupid is that?
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in the states the police cant check on people going about their business... on the ether hand the population in the states is 310 million compared to 7 million swiss.
Where have you been? Of course they can stop anybody at any time.

Then, to top it off, they can make you walk home (so to say) as they confiscate your car and the cash in your wallet... just on a hunch or gut feeling that they may have... that you may be using that car or cash for drugs or to support terrorism. Ever heard of Asset Forfeiture? Look it up.

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Re: Police control while waiting in train-station?

obviously something is wrong with me. maybe i should look in the mirror more?

Thats not a way to develop self esteem and a personality. No surprise that most of the Swiss seem to have their personality locked in the closet...


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So in other words the police in the states are useless, how do they tell a normal person from a criminal. Any police should be able to ask any person when there is a need to find known criminals inthe area. The suggestion of not being allowed to check someone going about their business is crazy so I only need to say I dont feel like answering you and I havent done anything for a policeman to be unable to challenge me - how stupid is that?
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What would have happened if I just ignored them and kept walking? Would they tackle me and arrest me?
Certainly, they also carry guns.

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I ask because at first I thought that it could be any criminal posing as police... That happens very often in Europe...
This of course would never happen in the States

The police have every rigfht to demand identification here, they have also to providse identification that they are police officers. You best learn to accept this or consider going elsewhere.
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obviously something is wrong with me. maybe i should look in the mirror more?

Thats not a way to develop self esteem and a personality. No surprise that most of the Swiss seem to have their personality locked in the closet...

You've only just got here and you feel qualified to make such sweeping statements ?

Sounds like you got a real problem
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