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great britan to swiss

Hi all. I would like to find out some information about switzerland.

I'm a hungarian citizen but i live in england last eight years.

My wife is a British citizen.

We would like to move to switzerland but we don't speak Dutch.

Is it difficult to find a job with english language?

For example if i have a right amount of money and i can aford a rent for at least two months, is it enough time to find a job ?

But if i don't find a job, will the local council or cantons can they help me with the rent?

But the most important question i would like to ask is, any cantons can refuse my claim for benefit till i don't find a job?

Because how i know the British citizens have the same rights there like a Swiss citizen.

Please if anybody knows even a little information about my questions, please let us know.

Thank you very much We wish you a merry christmas a and happy new year
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Is it difficult to find a job with english language?
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if i have a right amount of money and i can aford a rent for at least two months, is it enough time to find a job ?
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if i don't find a job, will the local council or cantons can they help me with the rent?
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any cantons can refuse my claim for benefit till i don't find a job?
ALL will refuse, as you have no right to benefits here.

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We would like to move to switzerland but we don't speak Dutch.
Me, neither - and it's never been a problem ....... in fact, I believe that the majority of people, here, don't.
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Me, neither - and it's never been a problem ....... in fact, I believe that the majority of people, here, don't.
The languages here are German in the Eastern part of Switzerland, French in the West and Italian in the South.
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Re: great britan to swiss

Welcome to the Forum. There are not perhaps as many folk as usual to help answering your questions it being Christmas, but if you go through the various sections of the Forum you'll find other people have asked the same things before. Check them out if you have time.

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We would like to move to switzerland but we don't speak Dutch.
Well, it makes a change from Swedish doesn't it?
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Re: great britan to swiss

Thank you for this helpful informations.

I realy want to move there, to live and work but i'm a bit scared that if i run out of money then me and my for kids going to freeze.)))

What about the people are they nice? helpful?
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The languages here are German in the Eastern part of Switzerland, French in the West and Italian in the South.
Just the 3 then? ..... don't forget the ones in the far east.

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Thank you for this helpful informations.

I realy want to move there, to live and work but i'm a bit scared that if i run out of money then me and my for kids going to freeze.)))

What about the people are they nice? helpful?
Maybe wait until the summer, then.
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Thank you for this helpful informations.

I realy want to move there, to live and work but i'm a bit scared that if i run out of money then me and my for kids going to freeze.)))

What about the people are they nice? helpful?
Do not move here without a job. It is quite expensive and the people are not always helpful.
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Re: great britan to swiss

it's more expensive than london? what is the minimal wadgeh?
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Re: great britan to swiss

Well, it wouldn't be very easy for me to tell you if living here is more expensive then London, because I don't live in London. Pay is generally higher than in other countries around here, but rents are high and there are more people looking for accomodation than there is reasonably priced accomodation on offer. Food is expensive too...

Check out this section which has lots of stuff to give you some idea. There are similar 'Stickies' in the other areas like employment and housing. .
General Info / Cost of living / Consequences of Unpaid Bills / EF Library

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Re: great britan to swiss

thank you very mutch i think the best if im go alone and when i find job & house than i bringe my familli what you guy's think in restaurant or car wash i can get job more easy and fester than any other work section
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Re: great britan to swiss

Bangolaci, I am sure that you will find the British government far easier to persuade with regards to social security benefits than the Swiss government.

If you have no job and you do not have enough money to carry you over until you find a job, then please stay where you are. I have no problem with my social security contributions going some way to assist people who already live here, have themselves made contributions to our social security system and who have fallen on hard times. I do have a problem with subsidising economic refugees.

It might sound harsh and not particularly seasonal, but hey that's the way I feel.
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Re: great britan to swiss

Mr Snoopy I understand that what you say))

But my questions not focused to the benefits, i just want to move in a naturelbuty country, were my kids can grow up in healthy and a peaceful life and i'm to old to jump from here to there, without any security im not a millionare but i have enough money to live in swiss for few mounth's but new country new language i can't be a teenager just go and happen what happen
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Do not move here without a job. It is quite expensive and the people are not always helpful.

Mishimishi, I agree with you on this one, but probably for all the wrong reasons...
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Hi all. I would like to find out some information about switzerland.

I'm a hungarian citizen but i live in england last eight years.

My wife is a British citizen.

We would like to move to switzerland but we don't speak Dutch.

Is it difficult to find a job with english language?

For example if i have a right amount of money and i can aford a rent for at least two months, is it enough time to find a job ?

But if i don't find a job, will the local council or cantons can they help me with the rent?

But the most important question i would like to ask is, any cantons can refuse my claim for benefit till i don't find a job?

Because how i know the British citizens have the same rights there like a Swiss citizen.

Please if anybody knows even a little information about my questions, please let us know.

Thank you very much We wish you a merry christmas a and happy new year
Some clarifications
> "Dutch" is the English word for what rather is "Netherlandish"/"Niederländisch"
>> Majority language in Switzerland is German/Deutsch. Just as in Southern Germany, possibly a bit more so, spoken is a variety of rather diverse dialects
>> Many people of Hungarian origin of the first generation even after decades simply speak "Budapester Deutsch" which is quite popular here, just as Münchnerisch
>> in view of your wife being English, I might recommend your moving to the city+suburbia regions of places like Zürich, Winterthur, Schaffhausen, Zug, Luzern, Bern, Biel, Basel
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> Jobs with only English ARE around, as multinational companies (both Swiss and foreign) have a requirement for people who do their work in English. This also applies to offices of airlines and of GSAs of them.
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> in principle, people from EFTA and EU countries HAVe the same rights. Welfare offices however may be restrictive about help for people who immigrate without a job. I therefore recommend that you start to search a job over the internet, for example over www.indeed.ch (in German) already out of England

> size of market ? You can compare the marketplace of German speaking Switzerland easily with Hungary, except that there here is NOT one over-dominating central metropolitan area. Be aware of the fact that German speaking, French speaking and Italian speaking Switzerland are three distinctly different markets, not just areas with different languages

> prices ? may be relatively high by average, but vary in many respects by the many different regions/areas

> competition ? That some people speak about a lack of competition and some people about fierce competition is not a difference but the same. Imagine that the market in many ways is broken up into a dozen or more "micro" market places. That packages with blue&white colours (national colours of Zürich, Zug and Luzern) sell well in these Cantons but not so much in Bern and Basel

>>>>> a lot of all this is NOT so very different from elsewhere in the world, if you see the relationships between Milano and Torino, between Köln and Düsseldorf, between Paris and Lyon and Marseille, between Brüssel and Antwerp or Madrid and Barcelona.

> back to the question about social support. The support does not come from the Canton but the municipality, and they will first send you over to the RAV which is an office trying to help you to find a job. The RAV is "regional" which means municipality or "Bezirk" (= county).

> and so, over to the political structure. Most Cantons, just as USA states, consist of a number of Bezirke (counties). Each Canton sends two delegates to the Ständerat (Senate) and a number of delegates in accordance with its population to the lower house, the Nationalrat (House of Representatives. This is not a coincidence but based on the fact that victorious civil war General Henri Dufour took the USA constitution, had everything translated into German, French and Italian, replaced the President by a 7-member-council and pressed the whole thing through in those important Solothurn meetings in 1848/49, where Bern became the Federal Capital (etc)


>>> London ? Everything depends on the exchange rate. London was rather on the expensive side in 1971/72, fairly cheap in about 1977 to 1983, then for a while started to be expensive again. It in 2000 was about as expensive as Zürich, which means cheaper for some stuff and more expensive for other stuff. As I hear, London right at present is relatively cheap by Swiss standards, which means Switzerland relatively expensive by London standards.
-- Some international finance speculators wanted to drive up the Swiss Franc, but as this was threatening to drive the Swiss Economy out of the world markets and ruining the country, Switzerland reacted by intoducing the 1 to 1.2 minima for the Euro, and this will be changed to a more realistic level of 1.35 or 1.40 as soon as possible.

>< AND, your thread title is wrong ! Make your mind UP ! it either is
- from British to Swiss
- from Britain (Great Britain or United Kingdom) to Switzerland
- from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to the Swiss Confederation

<> just found a conclusive explanation about what German is all about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHQC7f5P-fU

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Re: great britan to swiss

See the thread 'No wonder Swiss people don't like foreigners'.

It'll help you a lot.
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See the thread 'No wonder Swiss people don't like foreigners'.

It'll help you a lot.

Not least foreigners who want to get out of "British"
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Re: great britan to swiss

You cannot come here on your own because you are Hungarian. This is why - from the official www.ch.ch website:

"The Federal Council decided on 18 April 2012 to invoke the safeguard clause provided for in the Agreement between Switzerland and the EU on the free movementof persons, applying it to the EU-8 Member States (Estonia, Latvia,Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia, the Czech Republic, and Hungary).

From 1 May 2012, category B residence permits granted to citizens of these countries will be subject to quotas. This measure is to remain in force for a year and applies to persons who come to live in Switzerland to become self-employed and to persons who possess an employment contract in Switzerland that is valid for a year or more."

This means that you need very specialised skills backed with years of experience before you're likely to get a job. It costs employers a lot of time and money to prove to the Swiss authorities that there isn't a Swiss or other EU national who can do that particular job so they won't waste that time and money unless you are an outstanding candidate. Restaurant workers don't count as there are plenty of those here, and car washes are all automatic or do-it-yourself types.

The only way you could come is if your wife comes as the main earner with you as her dependent. You would then get a B permit which allows you to work. However, depending on what her work skills are it might be very difficult for her to get a job here without being able to speak one of the national languages.

My advice, if you're getting on in years, is to stay where you are. The UK is more generous regarding social benefits than Switzerland is and you may well find yourself struggling to survive once you reach retirement age here.
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The languages here are German in the Eastern part of Switzerland, French in the West and Italian in the South.
You missed English as the language for Zug

OP, honestly for the type of work you mentioned there are enough Swiss nationals and existing permit holders to fill those jobs, so why would a small outfit go through the hassle/expense of permit application when there is no shortage of available labour? CH is beautiful, safe, friendly and things work, but its very expensive and really without reasonable language skills and a job offer not somewhere I would suggest, especially with very limited resources as you would find yourself broke and homeless very quickly...sorry if that sounds blunt

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Re: great britan to swiss

A long time ago, when I lived in Switzerland, there was a resident Hungarian living in the same town. However, he spoke and wrote 8 languages perfectly so had no difficulty obtaining the necessary permit. However, things have changed drastically since that time, and although you are obviously willing, without sufficient language and other skills you would never be granted permission to reside/work - lots of people want to come to Switzerland because the salaries are high, the taxes low, it is safe etc. but believe it or not, it does have some major disadvantages too. Rather stay where you are.
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