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Old 03.03.2013, 18:53
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Expats in Zug have it too easy!

A guy called Harry Fuchs outlined his plans in today's Neue Zuger Zeitung to make life more difficult for ex-pats in Zug. Apart from having to learn German (he is a German teacher - www.softlanding.ch), he is encouraging shop workers to no longer speak English with ex-pats.

I don't see people who are on short work assignments here being able to learn swiss german in just one or two years and any shops who do sign up to this programme could end up losing business. It is a bit worrying that Stadt Zug apparently supports this idea.

http://www.luzernerzeitung.ch/nachri...h;art93,242885

Harry Fuchs will Ausländern Deutsch beibringen – mit einem Lehrmittel, das gleichzeitig Lebenshilfe ist.

Eine weiche Landung in Zug: Das möchte Harry Fuchs mit seiner Schule «Soft Landing» den so genannten Expats ermöglichen. Seit 2007 bietet seine Schule in Baar Deutschkurse für Angestellte von internationalen Firmen an. Nun unterrichtet er mit einem neuen, selbst verfassten Lehrmittel.
«Grüezi mitenand!» heisst das Buch, das schon auf der Titelseite ganz zugerisch daher kommt. «Für Expats gibt es praktisch nur Lehrmittel für den deutschen Markt», erklärt der 52-Jährige, der 1964 mit seinen Eltern in die Schweiz gezogen ist. Und diese Bücher operierten mit Geschichten und Alltagssituationen in Berlin oder München. «Das ist nicht gerade motivierend.»
Deshalb hat er in seiner bald 25-jährigen Unterrichtstätigkeit immer wieder Schweizer Sitten und Gewohnheiten in den Unterricht eingebaut, er hat Lernspiele entwickelt und verlegt den Unterricht immer wieder nach draussen. Seit zwei Jahren hat er sich mit dem Gedanken getragen, ein spezielles Deutschlehrbuch für Zuger Expats zu entwickeln. Dank der Unterstützung der Stadt Zug und verschiedener Firmen konnte er diesen Traum nun verwirklichen.
Mit einer App in den Hofladen

Damit der Kontakt mit Zug und den Zugern nicht aufs Buch beschränkt bleibt, hat Harry Fuchs auch eine App entwickelt. Auf Knopfdruck finden Expats hier beispielsweise spezielle Zuger Geschäfte, Hofmärkte und vieles mehr. Die Partner beteiligen sich finanziell an der Entwicklung der App, profitieren dafür von neuen Kunden.
Denn dank der App sollen Expats nicht nur bei den Grossverteilern einkaufen – dort, wo es für sie am einfachsten ist –, sondern eben auch im Hofladen. Damit der Lerneffekt auch wirklich spielt, müssen die Partner eine Bedingung erfüllen: Sie dürfen nur deutsch reden, wenn ein Expat im Laden steht.
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Old 03.03.2013, 19:00
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Re: Expats in Zug have it too easy!

Not sure you need to talk very much when shopping, so It's really not an issue TBH I would rather they spoke less & just took my money. I guess Le Shop in English will clean up.
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Old 03.03.2013, 19:00
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Re: Expats in Zug have it too easy!

Pathetic. He`s shooting himself in his own knees. People are not that stupid to accept a person who can only boost himself by standing on others.

I teach English to Swiss and Germans. Why? Because there is a market for learning English. There is also a market for learning German.

By getting aggressive about it, he will just lose potential customers.
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Old 03.03.2013, 19:01
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Not sure you need to talk very much when shopping, so It's really not an issue
Quite right! With everyone crossing the borders to shop - local shops are only too happy to serve customers, whichever language they speak.
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Old 03.03.2013, 19:06
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Quite right! With everyone crossing the borders to shop - local shops are only too happy to serve customers, whichever language they speak.
He probably believes shopping is a social experience, I think it's a huge waste of time in any language, especially when most of the tills are closed. Of course there future is self scanning, so all the arrogant shop assistants will be out of work before long unless they provide some added value to the customer.
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Old 03.03.2013, 19:37
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Re: Expats in Zug have it too easy!

Actually, "having" to speak to the shop assistants here is part of what has helped me get over fear of trying to speak German at all. It's one thing to use it speaking to my m-i-l (she's very patient with my broken patterns, but doesn't correct my grammar), but speaking to STRANGERS takes me a bit more out of comfort zone.

So, while I agree that it may make it tougher for short-timer expats, it also may help some of them realize that they CAN make it if they want to stay longer.
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Old 03.03.2013, 19:41
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Actually, "having" to speak to the shop assistants here is part of what has helped me get over fear of trying to speak German at all. It's one thing to use it speaking to my m-i-l (she's very patient with my broken patterns, but doesn't correct my grammar), but speaking to STRANGERS takes me a bit more out of comfort zone.

So, while I agree that it may make it tougher for short-timer expats, it also may help some of them realize that they CAN make it if they want to stay longer.
Generally I take my goods to the till, I already know how much it will cost as I am numerate. I hand over cash & get my change, very little need to speak, or be concerned with grammar! Speaking to strangers should be easy.....
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Re: Expats in Zug have it too easy!

We attended German courses from week 3 in Switzerland and really tried our hardest to learn. It wouldn't have been so difficult if:

a) people weren't speaking Swiss German and we were learning German. I was in the shops thinking "what's a freakin' Taschli?"

b) the German course didn't start way to early with dative and accusative - this confused the heck out of me

10 years on, I understand Swiss German but won't dare speak it to anyone but kids and my German grammar is still cr*p. Mr Fuchs couldn't even help me with that. I actually find that shop assistants are more friendly and helpful when they hear you speaking English
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Old 03.03.2013, 19:59
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We attended German courses from week 3 in Switzerland and really tried our hardest to learn. It wouldn't have been so difficult if:

a) people weren't speaking Swiss German and we were learning German. I was in the shops thinking "what's a freakin' Taschli?"

b) the German course didn't start way to early with dative and accusative - this confused the heck out of me

10 years on, I understand Swiss German but won't dare speak it to anyone but kids and my German grammar is still cr*p. Mr Fuchs couldn't even help me with that. I actually find that shop assistants are more friendly and helpful when they hear you speaking English

Actually, I think that's where I have a funky "advantage" - the bits of German I do speak are from having to speak with m-i-l (heavy on the baseldüütsch, with some Luzerner thrown in, and a tad Italian when we get stuck ), so they're fairly friendly either way, especially as I generally start with "entschuldigung, aber, meine deutsch ist nicht sehr gut..." with the new added "probierien mit mich?" It's still horrible, but have managed to get my point across usually.


Fatmanfilms - grocery shopping is one thing, I don't feel any great need to speak to the cashier either, but there are times I'm looking for something and can't find it, and have needed help.

Alternately, when I've visited down Lausanne way before, being able to speak some German has helped a bit as my French is even more horrendous, but I've encountered shop assistants who could not speak English, but would willingly use German (again, when looking for something I couldn't find)... so, it helps when traveling around Switzerland as well.
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Oh well, at least it made me look at his website and read about his courses and products, which I guess was the real reason for his statement about expats.
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Old 03.03.2013, 20:07
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There is some truth in it, shop attendants immediately switch to English when they hear me and OH conversing in English, even though I speak German very well.
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Mr. Fuchs is a glöckliberg and his Swiss German learning materials for English speakers are scheiss.
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This app is even ridiculous than the washing machine app we had some weeks ago.
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There is some truth in it, shop attendants immediately switch to English when they hear me and OH conversing in English, even though I speak German very well.
Here they say 'hey Odile, t'es plus sur ton Ile ici' as most of them were at school with me years ago (hey Odile you are no longer on your Island now). OH and I have been together for 43 years, 39 in the UK, so we always speak English together.
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There is some truth in it, shop attendants immediately switch to English when they hear me and OH conversing in English, even though I speak German very well.
Exactly that didn't happen in Amsterdam. If one starts with Dutch, they take the time to help you through it, only switching back to English when necessary. It's really nice. At the beginning, I made them repeat the numbers in German or English just to be sure. They did just that and kept Dutch for the rest. Wonderful. No stress, no big effort, just a bit of learning on the way. Nice positive feeling.

If people in Zug or anywhere else did the same, it would be nice too. But there is no reason to do it just because this guy wants to make more business.
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And still he feels the need to give his webpage an English name. ....oh the irony in it all.
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And still he feels the need to give his webpage an English name. ....oh the irony in it all.
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Re: Expats in Zug have it too easy!

Faltrad, yeah, always happy to see a tourist/expat-er try to speak Dutch! I don't really see a reason why I would want to learn Swiss German High-German makes more sense.

(offtopic: I swear there only live crazy people in Zug!)
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I don't really see a reason why I would want to learn Swiss German High-German makes more sense.
I never speak Swiss German and the last time a local bugged me about dialect, I started speaking low-German to her. I still do when I see her and she hates me, which is perfectly fine with me as long as she is too stupid to listen and understand high German.

But speaking High German generally like one speaks Dutch in the Netherlands is not exactly too much asked when it's all about ten sentences in daily life. This does not even qualify as speaking the language, but rather a kind of basic display of social competence. Wouldn't make anybody sweat, even so called people with no talent for languages. Real learning and real speaking is a whole different league. But at least, the first door is open... and it's a really nice feeling for everybody, even if one does not continue and pass language exams like I did in Amsterdam (I became a teacher there, it's a different setting, not really the basic expat, even by Amsterdam standards).
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