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Re: Where are the wheelchair users in CH?

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Considering that I see a lot people parking n disabled spaces, I wouldn't be surprised is they stay home in frustration!
That's funny as I've often remarked at how much people respect the disabled parking spaces here and leave them empty for the people who need them.
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That's funny as I've often remarked at how much people respect the disabled parking spaces here and leave them empty for the people who need them.
Yes, I find that too. No matter how many people are hunting for a parking space in a car park they won't park in a disabled space unless they're entitled too. Much better than the UK for this. Guess it might be a French v German speaking side of Switzerland attitude as i-b-deborah is in Zurich.
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Old 02.05.2016, 11:43
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Considering that I see a lot people parking n disabled spaces, I wouldn't be surprised is they stay home in frustration!
It pisses me off too, however, the key is whether or not they have a disabled placard or sticker - not whether or not they need a wheel chair. There are lots of different forms of disability.

I live in the German speaking part, and I don't see a lot of parking in these spaces either.
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Re: Where are the wheelchair users in CH?

As soon as you become disabled, you see the world differently! And this is a good thing. Just don't forget it.

Im Seefeld, I see them wheelies whizzing by all the time, they steer fancy electric wheelchairs and go about their daily business mostly by themselves and live in assisted living just around the corner.

There is also another house with blind adults who live in assisted living. And all that in fancy Seefeld. It is maybe ideal because it is quite flat and has lots of public transportation.

Maybe I'm just so aware because my granddad was in a wheelchair - because of MS - and I helped at an assisted housing project during my studies.

Lots of fun going to the movies with the wheelies - there were many old movie-and other theatres with none or very limited space for a wheelchair. So your choice of movie or plays was limited also that way. Good thing was I got into museums and Expos for free as I was an assistant :-)

SBB provides a service to heave heavy electric wheelchairs up and down. You have to call beforehand. I was taught how to get the normal wheelchairs into the (high) wagons without hurting yourself and others. It is not complicated.

Just lately, a man with muscular distrophy got stuck entering the S-Bahn in his electro-wheelie because his upper body became unstable and he could not move it forward to shift his weight by himself. He told people what to to, give his upper body a push forwards to shift the weight - but they almost froze in helplessness. It was easy to help him but I could also understand the bystanders: you don't want to hurt.

I also got aware how the blind in my street get irritated when road works take place and the signs on the street are not there anymore, so they don't know where to cross the street.

Now, as Migros Höschgasse has outfitted its fridges with doors, I get asked by wheelchair-drivers to help getting cheese or yoghurt because they just can't get it, even short people can't get to the upper shelves and I get asked to help... sometimes I guess just average people get their rights.

There is still lots to do, I fully agree.
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Yes, I find that too. No matter how many people are hunting for a parking space in a car park they won't park in a disabled space unless they're entitled too. Much better than the UK for this. Guess it might be a French v German speaking side of Switzerland attitude as i-b-deborah is in Zurich.
They are dreadful for doing this in the UK. My mother had a disabled badge and was entitled to use the spaces and it used to really annoy her ( and me) when there were cars parked there without badges on them.

It's true that not everyone who has a blue badge looks obviously disabled but there are a lot of conditions where walking for long distances is difficult so they are granted a blue badge but at first glance don't look as though they need it.
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Re: Where are the wheelchair users in CH?

It is not just the wheelchair users that have troubles or are discriminated to get around in CH . We DO have actually a so called .........
Federal Act on the Elimination of Discrimination against People with Disabilities (DDA, SR 151.3)

This is an excerpt in regards to traffic:


**In relation to public transport, the Disability Discrimintation Act (DDA) stresses that new vehicles and new stops and stations, as well as those that are being upgraded for reasons including maintenance, network development and operational safety, must meet the needs of passengers with reduced mobility. In such cases, modifications for persons with reduced mobility can be carried out at a reasonable cost. Buildings, equipment and vehicles that cannot be adapted for disabled people easily and inexpensively, must be adapted as part of a special programme (“DDA implementation project”) by the end of 2023 at the latest. The Federal Parliament has earmarked CHF 300 M spread over 20 years to finance such cases. The cantons must also expect additional costs of around CHF 300 M for these special cases. Customer information systems and ticket machines must be adapted in accordance with the law by the end of 2013.**





We voted for this law against discrimination sometime in the Noughties, but with everything in CH it takes more time than necessary, cos disabled people are despite the law still 2nd or even 3rd grade people......I know, coz I am one of them.



However, I have to say there has been a big fat lot done, for people in wheelchairs (stairlifts, access to buildings via ramps, lowered kerb stones to make it easier to cross roads, easier access to vehicles of public transport ) and the blind or partially sighted people also have had a lot done for them in the past years in this regard.......


But for example, people like me who have an invisible handicap....can wait until hell freezes over for anything happening.



THIS is one of the reasons why I love the UK so much! Despite my handicap I travelled several times through the UK on my own, never ever have I encountered stuff as I often do here!



I never felt discriminated, people were really very helpful all the time and no one blinked an eye when i handed them my notepad to write something down, cos i still didn't understood when they said it 3 times already..lip reading is not so easy, even if one has basically a good grasp of the language.





So many of the UK Natives i know, are talking their country down , coz of politics and what not, but this is something you can really, really be proud of!!




Disabled persons are much better integrated in daily life over there, than here........sad, but true.
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Re: Where are the wheelchair users in CH?

Gosh it's weird to be discussed in third person. "They" (myself and other people with wheelchairs in Switzerland) typically have rather full lives here. The ski and sailing clubs are full, and most I know of work and have families.
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Re: Where are the wheelchair users in CH?

For 10 years I worked at a place that had 1 disabled park space. Everyday, cars that had no stickers parked there. I saw cars with wheelchair ramps parked 100m away.

One wheelchair guy stuck it to the Man, tried to make a stand, and started parking inside the area. The response was to issue him with parking fines.
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Re: Where are the wheelchair users in CH?

I've often thought this too. I see more disabled people outside the town in the villages maybe there are special facilities or work places there. Also Zurich centre pubs bars etc have toilets underground that are totally inaccessible for wheelchair users.
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After a little accident that left me with my arm immobilised for 6 weeks, I realised how much more difficult it was to do things, especially on the public transport, and wondered how on earth a wheelchair user would cope.

I have not yet seen a single wheelchair user in Geneva, where are they? Kept out of sight? Looking at the height of pavements, the lack of lifts or even access ramps to many buildings, I had the impression that the U.K. was a lot more aware and proactive in accessibility for wheelchair users. And the paralympics just served to reinforce their status.

Is is a false impression? Is it different from canton to canton?
I was recently on crutches for 3 months and so I really have sympathy for anyone who has trouble getting around (especially in a wheelchair). I can at least speak to this in Zurich. Bus drivers have a ramp that they can put up and down for you (and they'll help you). Some trams (it seems like every other) are wheelchair accessible, which is very nice! People were generally kind to me, opened doors and gave me their seats. However, I can imagine that this would be much more difficult with a wheelchair and for just getting around.
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...were just discussing last night how progressive CH is in some aspects but how backward they are in others.
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Yes, I find that too. No matter how many people are hunting for a parking space in a car park they won't park in a disabled space unless they're entitled too. Much better than the UK for this. Guess it might be a French v German speaking side of Switzerland attitude as i-b-deborah is in Zurich.
And this is how rumours spread. No, it's not a Swiss German thing at all. In all these years I have been driving in CH - mostly Zürich canton I haven't seen once what somebody else describing as being normal occurrence. Not saying it doesn't exist, but it is not a Swiss German thing by any standard.

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That's funny as I've often remarked at how much people respect the disabled parking spaces here and leave them empty for the people who need them.
Same here.
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Gosh it's weird to be discussed in third person. "They" (myself and other people with wheelchairs in Switzerland) typically have rather full lives here. The ski and sailing clubs are full, and most I know of work and have families.
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Re: Where are the wheelchair users in CH?

In switzerland there are less disabled parking spaces, but they also don't give out permits so easily as in italy say (where basically every old person has got one). Some people also pretend to be able to judge if a person is disabled or not just by looking at them, instead of checking if they have the permit on their dashboard, those are the worst kind imho. Some just see the foreign plate and automatically draw conclusions.
Regarding public transport, what I've seen in basel are the ubiquitous wheelchair transporting vans provided by the IVB, which means permamently disabled people don't even have to use the tram. There are some of these everywhere in switzerland, but in the city you really notice how many there are. Also in switzerland fortunately most have access to motorized wheelchairs and scooters, so for moving around the neighborhood they go on wheels, no need for trams.
They also go out a lot, usually in group with volunteers or maybe with not disabled friends, it's really common. Of course you won't see them at the coop. I went some times with a group like this and tbh I've not seen big obstacles, of course maybe you have to plan in advance if you go someplace new and get informed beforehand.
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Re: Where are the wheelchair users in CH?

I was at the Lidl supermarket today, right on the border of Baar and Zug and was surprised to see a couple of cops writing out a ticket for a big "Die Post" van which was parked in a disabled space adjacent to the supermarket entrance!

The delivery guy returned to his van and had a brief argument with one of the cops, but they didn't relent and let him off! Good job too!

I think I was more surprised that it was in the supermarket's own car park and not in a public car park tbh. The only marking for the two disabled spots are two wheelchair signs on the ground.

I like the prominent signs in the US for disabled parking spaces....there is always a post with a sign stating what the fine is ($250 in New Jersey) for anyone parking there without a disabled badge being displayed in their car.
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