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Re: Water in CH too hard?

If you are finding the water too hard then its ok to substitute it with lots of beer and wine for drinking
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Old 09.05.2013, 00:26
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If you are finding the water too hard then its ok to substitute it with lots of beer and wine for drinking
Reminds me of the old joke about the Sicilian on visit to the doc

>> The doc checks up and then looks and points at the breast of the Sicilian and says "water hheeee " . Replies the Sicilian "No doc, this is not possible, I never drink water but only Red Wine" <<<
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Old 09.05.2013, 07:31
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I can only agree with this 1,000%. I've performed a few experiments over the years. One of these experiments was using RO water as a source of drinking water. Professionally we would always require a calcium contactor or other zeolite to finish the water. However, I wanted to know the effects of drinking RO water straight. Lets just say that there is such a thing as an "inverse power" to gatorade. The osmotic pressure of our organs prefer a fair amount of minerals and salts. Drinking water that is overly purified is no different than drinking something caustic...
Can anyone translate this into English for the thick?
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The Ticino is dominated by alpine stones, just as the area south of Zürich, while Zürich-North and areas like Glattbrugg are "Jurassic" which means that the drinking water is a cream of limestone and calcium, in short Lägern-Light

Clear to me is that the section in the Bible about Sodom and Lot's wife is wrong. She was not in Palestine, but somewhere in Glattbrugg when meeting her fate
Huh, this is interestng as my Tissin friend was having kidney stones only before she moved to Zurich and was diagnosed with magnesium deficiency. Maybe the move to a harder area also helped her?
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Old 09.05.2013, 10:37
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Can anyone translate this into English for the thick?
Because de-ionised water has no ions, ion exchange will occur in the gut only out of the body and so will deplete your salts. MilliQ water is even purer and can theoretically kill you.
And because osmosis, where water transfers across semi permeable membranes from low to high concentrations means that the pure water can easily cross into the body and dilute your cells, increasing the volume beyond capacity which then burst, again dangerous, but only really with ultra-pure water.
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Huh, this is interestng as my Tissin friend was having kidney stones only before she moved to Zurich and was diagnosed with magnesium deficiency. Maybe the move to a harder area also helped her?
I cannot tell you about Magnesium. I however, also in Migros and Coop see so many Magnesium pills, that there must be a problem for many people. I mentioned Zürich-Centre and Zürich-South. The point is that the mountain-ranges on both sides of the lake (Zimmerberg to the west for example) are actually "Moränen" (Moraines) in other words the whole crap glaciers out of two or three ice-ages had pushed down and forward and deposited on both sides of their path

To give a practical example. I back in 1972 learnt to know good English tea in London. And thought that to use good teas produced in Britain would bring decent results, but got severely disappointed. But then somebody told me that I had to buy Brita-Filters to produce NON-limestone/calcium water and then try it again, and it worked and I was happy But coffee is much better with the "cream" here
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Old 09.05.2013, 11:39
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I'm not sure what your point is, TBH. Brita claim that this resin they include in their cartridges removes carbonates; I can see that with a new and/or good filter there's little or no limescale (and no scum or stain round the teacup); that with an older and/or cheap cartridge the limescale comes back.

Is there something I'm missing?
No...you are missing nothing... but there is something that I am missing. I was working on a project with Engineers Without Borders (in the US) and we had performed some rather elaborate tests to find gravity-only ways to remove turbidity in water that required no chemical additions. We started having some success with these cartridge filters and wanted to know more about the over-the-counter filters beyond what is published by the manufacturer. So...we dismantled them. What we found was that only activated carbon was used in these filters.

Apparently this discussion is one of those US vs Europe experiences. It appears that there are indeed different lines of products available in Europe than in the US. So...You are right I...your particular filter likely contains resins which would be able to remove temporary hardness. Sorry my US-knowledge base got in the way here.

So...what is the name of the product exactly? I think I need this for making beer.

(btw...in the end of our experiments, we found that coarse paper towels and pillow filling stuffed into .33 x .05m tubes worked best at removing turbidity.)
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Old 09.05.2013, 12:07
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Re: Water in CH too hard?

So if I live in a place with very hard water, am I right that there are two solutions?

1. Do nothing. Simply put up with the fact you need lots of detergent/showergel etc and limescale cleaner for the bathroom and kitchen. And use a Brita filter for kettles/ironing.

2.Install a professional water softener and run everything from that apart from the kitchen cold tap, which you use for drinking and via a Brita, as above, for the kettle/iron/espresso machine etc

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What is "Tissin"?

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What is "Tissin"?

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Sorry meant Tessin or Ticino.
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Old 09.05.2013, 13:18
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2.Install a professional water softener and run everything from that apart from the kitchen cold tap, which you use for drinking and via a Brita, as above, for the kettle/iron/espresso machine etc

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We had a Brita filter. Until I pointed out to my wife that it was far quicker and cheaper not to have one and occasionally de-scale the kettle and espresso machine with a proprietary de-scaler or just vinegar (Coop Oecoplan Putzessig CHF 3.10/L)




But due to the boiler getting frequently blocked up with scale, there is now an inline filter of some sort fitted at the water inlet to the apartments so the kettle does not need descaling much any more anyway.

I hate Brita filters - it's such a faff to have to fill them and wait for the water to drip through before tipping the water into the kettle or coffee machine and drinking water that's been through them is just pointless.

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Re: Water in CH too hard?

hard water has alot of calcium which is very good for the bones
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Re: Water in CH too hard?

I like my Brita. Not only does the kettle scale up way less but I don't get that scum/film on the top of a cup of tea here. Basel's water is very hard.
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I like my Brita. Not only does the kettle scale up way less but I don't get that scum/film on the top of a cup of tea here. Basel's water is very hard.
I guess I'm used to hard water.

According to the chart earlier on this thread, the water hardness on the French scale is >25 where I live here but was noticeably harder where I lived in the U.K. (on the same scale) and is measured at 32.
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Re: Water in CH too hard?

Hey everyone,
I know this post is a little old but I would like to contribute!
I am region Zurich for 3 months - in Brasil we only drink mineral water!
Here I got amazed in a bad way with the calcium in the water!
I used to have Kidney Stones in 2012.
Well, as some says, "Do like Swiss do."
Here I am with kidneys crises again!
And there is nothing you can tell me that will make me believe that has nothing to do with the water!
I am going today to buy a filter!
At the start I even thought it would not happen, people said it was ok to drink tap water!
If you have historical of kidneys stone, I would rethink the tap water!

Just and advice!

Cheers to everyone
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Hey everyone,
I know this post is a little old but I would like to contribute!
I am region Zurich for 3 months - in Brasil we only drink mineral water!
Here I got amazed in a bad way with the calcium in the water!
I used to have Kidney Stones in 2012.
Well, as some says, "Do like Swiss do."
Here I am with kidneys crises again!
And there is nothing you can tell me that will make me believe that has nothing to do with the water!
I am going today to buy a filter!
At the start I even thought it would not happen, people said it was ok to drink tap water!
If you have historical of kidneys stone, I would rethink the tap water!

Just and advice!

Cheers to everyone
You realise that most (not all) mineral waters contain rather high levels of calcium? There's a clue in the name.....

BTW, according to the British Association of Urological Surgeons there is no link between hard water and kidney stones (http://www.baus.org.uk/Sections/endo...g/FAQ_hardness)
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Hey everyone,
I know this post is a little old but I would like to contribute!
I am region Zurich for 3 months - in Brasil we only drink mineral water!
Here I got amazed in a bad way with the calcium in the water!
I used to have Kidney Stones in 2012.
Well, as some says, "Do like Swiss do."
Here I am with kidneys crises again!
And there is nothing you can tell me that will make me believe that has nothing to do with the water!
I am going today to buy a filter!
At the start I even thought it would not happen, people said it was ok to drink tap water!
If you have historical of kidneys stone, I would rethink the tap water!


Cheers to everyone
i.e. it's got nothing to do with the water but other factors such as genetics and diet.

Otherwise, wouldn't there be a lot more cases of kidney stones in areas of hard water than in those of soft water?

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And there is nothing you can tell me that will make me believe that has nothing to do with the water!
That's a minute of my life wasted typing what I wrote above then...
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And how can this be solved? With vinegar? What are the unexpensive options?
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And how can this be solved? With vinegar? What are the unexpensive options?
Perhaps you ought to ask your doctor?
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You realise that most (not all) mineral waters contain rather high levels of calcium? There's a clue in the name.....
Indeed. One must realize that bottled water companies simple pump (and not always treat) the same water that serves municipalities. Also keep in mind that bottled water companies are usually owned by giant multinationals that place a premium on branding. Why pay more for something you get from the tap?

In this link: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0169/7704/files/Mineral_Water_Brands.jpg?495
there is a list of basic chemistries of bottled water. Evian is a nice benchmark as its taste could be argued to be rather neutral. It has a calcium content of 80mg/l. Zurich water has a mean calicum content that is 35% less than Evian! https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/content...20englisch.pdf

Of course not all areas have the ability to treat and monitor their water. Zurich, specifically, does.
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