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Old 03.06.2015, 14:47
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Re: Water in CH too hard?

Is this the kind of calcium that our bodies can use? So if I drink a lot of hard water, I can cut out dairy as my source of calcium?

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hard water has alot of calcium which is very good for the bones
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Old 03.06.2015, 16:00
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Indeed. One must realize that bottled water companies simple pump (and not always treat) the same water that serves municipalities. Also keep in mind that bottled water companies are usually owned by giant multinationals that place a premium on branding. Why pay more for something you get from the tap?

In this link: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0169/7704/files/Mineral_Water_Brands.jpg?495
there is a list of basic chemistries of bottled water. Evian is a nice benchmark as its taste could be argued to be rather neutral. It has a calcium content of 80mg/l. Zurich water has a mean calicum content that is 35% less than Evian! https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/content...20englisch.pdf

Of course not all areas have the ability to treat and monitor their water. Zurich, specifically, does.
osteoswiss.ch, who focus on osteoporosis which can be prevented/delayed by high calcium intake, list Evian as "low on calcium"...

high calcium content: e.g. Contrex, Valser, Adelbodner, Eptinger
medium calcium content: e.g. San Pellegrino, Aproz, Passugger, Rhäzünser, Badoit
low calcium content: e.g. Perrier, Alpina, Cristalp, Fontessa, Vittel, Henniez, Evian

... as does the contents table published the Swiss Association of Mineral Water and Softdrink Producers.

So flubber03s conclusion should all the more be "drink tap".

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Old 03.06.2015, 16:38
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Re: Water in CH too hard?

It does depend very much where you are - one area of Rapperswil has water hardness of 37+ on the French scale, you can see the limescale forming on the surface of a glass of cold water

The other part where we are now has a hardness of "only" 28 or so - most would consider that hard, we find it nice to not have to descale the kettle every other day or use a bottle of washing up liquid per fortnight

On the health side - mineral water is just water with minerals in it, exactly the same as tap water but with different proportions and a vastly higher cost. It's also significantly less environmentally friendly (shipping water by truck is just stupid).
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Old 03.06.2015, 23:46
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Re: Water in CH too hard?

Well, I got a really important answer from my Doctor, wich makes completly sense for me.

She told me that there are lot's of types of kidneys stones.
Each body may (or not) make stones of calcium, magnesium, and other minerals.

When I asked her, she told me: If your stones are made from calcium, than the hard water is awful, but if the are most mde of magnesium, them it is ok. So, you have to be able to check what kind of stone is your body making.

So I think this is the right answer. Because if you body is not filtering right Calcium, and you drink a lot of it, of course you will get in trouble. But if your problem is with any other mineral...so you have to check that.

I hope this helps other people also!

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Old 04.06.2015, 00:04
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Re: Water in CH too hard?

The Wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidney_stone sites studies that show high dietary calcium, magnesium or potassium reduce kidney stone incidence, so hard water should be safe or even improve things.

The one thing everything agrees is that high sodium is a risk factor, so most water softeners (which replace Ca/K/P ions with sodium) would make it worse.
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Re: Water in CH too hard?

Water, no water, too hard, too soft.

I'm just a simple stupid one, with a degree in something polytecnic and I just do not get it. For me it is a question, where to buy some eggs, do they have to be Bodenhalting or Freiland, what does that mean, and who guarantees the BIO- Label to be clean.

If you have considerations about water, ask Greenpeace. They help. For Ex: Do the 72 ground disposials around Basle infiltrate much or less the waters or do they not.

I'm just a little disappointed. As I will always be, it's my own fault, isn't it?

You can know about the hardness of your water by going online and asking. There are lists for every tiniest village. If you are that aware, you'll have that amount of income. that allows you, to be that way and ask for this kind of reassurance.

If the water is too hard, put a Britta Filter inbetween your daily use of water. If You are ritch and bought the building, you are living in, then just install a 'Wasserenthärter' in the line of your pipes. It costs about 5'000 Bucks, Swiss ones.

SORRY. I'm very sorry to be such an architect, that has lived in some other countries, too, and does not understand habits at home. I do not get it and I am concerned, because I think, that I have missed something, maybe important.
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Water, no water, too hard, too soft.

I'm just a simple stupid one, with a degree in something polytecnic and I just do not get it. For me it is a question, where to buy some eggs, do they have to be Bodenhalting or Freiland, what does that mean, and who guarantees the BIO- Label to be clean.

If you have considerations about water, ask Greenpeace. They help. For Ex: Do the 72 ground disposials around Basle infiltrate much or less the waters or do they not.

I'm just a little disappointed. As I will always be, it's my own fault, isn't it?

You can know about the hardness of your water by going online and asking. There are lists for every tiniest village. If you are that aware, you'll have that amount of income. that allows you, to be that way and ask for this kind of reassurance.

If the water is too hard, put a Britta Filter inbetween your daily use of water. If You are ritch and bought the building, you are living in, then just install a 'Wasserenthärter' in the line of your pipes. It costs about 5'000 Bucks, Swiss ones.

SORRY. I'm very sorry to be such an architect, that has lived in some other countries, too, and does not understand habits at home. I do not get it and I am concerned, because I think, that I have missed something, maybe important.
Maybe it's me, but this is just gibberish, at best ignoring everything else in the thread. I'm guessing water wasn't the liquid being drunk at the time.
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Old 04.06.2015, 09:38
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Re: Water in CH too hard?

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If the water is too hard, put a Britta Filter inbetween your daily use of water. If You are ritch and bought the building, you are living in, then just install a 'Wasserenthärter' in the line of your pipes. It costs about 5'000 Bucks, Swiss ones.
We got one of those after the new boiler furred up after only a year. We're not rich or ritch though.
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Re: Water in CH too hard?

I think that nit-picking about the "quality" of water is most probably just a "First World Problem". As long as it doesn`t contain cholera or typhoid etc.

Imagine being thirsty and having no water to drink? A mud puddle will do.
My uncle drank the urine from the bladder of his dead horse in the desert and managed to survive.

Personally I find the kalk laden water here to be wonderful for my nails - never had such hard nails in my life.
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Re: Water in CH too hard?

Hello, and I apologize for the post under my name, it's not my own (I got the source, finally.)

Water in Switzerland is different from one place to the other, sometimes it is very hard. I never heard of a boiler being broken after one year, because of that, but I can immagine very well, that it could be so.

The costs of a water softener are quite high, indeed. The costs of maintenance for a boiler, for decalcification, by qualified personnel are about 300 CHF per service. If the water is that hard, to affect a boiler in the period of one year, it is the smartest thing to do, to install a water softener.

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And how can this be solved? With vinegar? What are the unexpensive options?
Move to Ticino, almost no hard water here (except around Stabio, but who wants to live there ).

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