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Old 14.03.2014, 12:01
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Re: New language requirement for EU, C Permit

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So what exactly is the situation if you have a C permit? Or if you move regions, ie Geneva to Zurich. Speaking one national language isnt enough and they demand you then learn German as well?
Once you have the C, it is unconditionally renewed as long as you are resident.
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Old 14.03.2014, 12:02
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Who exactly tests this language requirement? Is there an official government exam or can it be any language school?
You need to provide a certificate that proves you have the required level in German.
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Old 14.03.2014, 12:04
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You need to provide a certificate that proves you have the required level in German.
Sorry to answer the question properly, needs to be from an accredited language school, i.e Geothe institut or Migroschule, etc
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Old 14.03.2014, 12:25
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Once you have the C, it is unconditionally renewed as long as you are resident.
Thanks, I didn't know that. So it is also renewed even if you are receiving unemployment benefit or welfare?
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Old 14.03.2014, 12:27
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Re: New language requirement for EU, C Permit

Look for the thread 'A2 German for C Permit?' for the link to the ZH Migrationsamt website (I'm using the verdammte iPad, so can't link, sorry.)

Essentially, there is a list of countries which have signed agreements with Switzerland giving citizens of those countries the right to a C permit after 5 years. Folks from all other countries do not have an automatic right to a C permit based on length of stay. The cantons may impose language qualifications (or other requirements) for citizens of the countries who do not have such agreements in place.

Note that not all EU countries are on the list, the UK is not for instance. That may be why we are seeing anecdotes of some folks being required to submit language certificates while others do not.

Anyway, look for the above thread for the link which gives the list.


And another FYI - one can indeed lose a C permit. Grounds are receiving social help or committing a serious crime. ( I know of a local case where a person was kicked out after 20 (taxpaying!) years here when he fell on hard times.

And then there is the worry that as the public mood changes so can the conditions of stay. The Bundestrat proposal that was supposed to head off the MEI specifically said that C permits could be lost on financial grounds. Given that the MEI passed, though, I don't know if that proposal has been abandoned, or not.
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Old 14.03.2014, 12:36
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Re: New language requirement for EU, C Permit

There are no such requirements in Neuchatel at the moment. My British OH was automatically upgraded from 5 year B to a C in January and didn't need to provide any documents at all.
In fact he didn't actually do anything other than sign the form as I filled it in, took it yo the commune and the collected and paid for the new permit when it was ready a week later.
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Re: New language requirement for EU, C Permit

Another question....assuming a language certification is required, does a non-working spouse also have to achieve this certification, or is it just the 'head' of the family? i.e. me.
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Old 14.03.2014, 12:47
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And another FYI - one can indeed lose a C permit. Grounds are receiving social help or committing a serious crime. ( I know of a local case where a person was kicked out after 20 (taxpaying!) years here when he fell on hard times.
That's certainly a worry. Imagine you lose your job at 55 years of age? It would be very difficult to find any work at that age but you're still too young to retire or access your pillar 2 pension fund.
The tide in CH seems to be turning against all foreigners. I wonder what restrictions they will bring in next?
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Old 14.03.2014, 12:48
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There are no such requirements in Neuchatel at the moment. My British OH was automatically upgraded from 5 year B to a C in January and didn't need to provide any documents at all.
In fact he didn't actually do anything other than sign the form as I filled it in, took it yo the commune and the collected and paid for the new permit when it was ready a week later.
French speaking cantons do tend to be more foreigner friendly.
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Old 14.03.2014, 13:15
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Thanks, I didn't know that. So it is also renewed even if you are receiving unemployment benefit or welfare?
Yes. Mine is, but i've lived here 40 years. It may be different for newer people.

Also, i haven't heard that in Geneva you have to have a certain level of French or have to have done any exams. I may be wrong.
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Old 14.03.2014, 13:39
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There are no such requirements in Neuchatel at the moment. My British OH was automatically upgraded from 5 year B to a C in January and didn't need to provide any documents at all.
In fact he didn't actually do anything other than sign the form as I filled it in, took it yo the commune and the collected and paid for the new permit when it was ready a week later.
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French speaking cantons do tend to be more foreigner friendly.
When I went from a B to a C (ok, so it was about 7 years ago), it was the same thing. My B was up for renewal and it took me a day or so to realise the new one they'd given me had a C rather than a B on it. No extra forms, no fuss, no mess. In fact the woman behind the desk didn't even mention it.

This was in Zurich which, on consideration, might be a foreigner friendly island in the rest of the German-speaking part.
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Old 14.03.2014, 14:12
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When I went from a B to a C (ok, so it was about 7 years ago), it was the same thing. My B was up for renewal and it took me a day or so to realise the new one they'd given me had a C rather than a B on it. No extra forms, no fuss, no mess. In fact the woman behind the desk didn't even mention it.

This was in Zurich which, on consideration, might be a foreigner friendly island in the rest of the German-speaking part.
a good reason to leave canton Zug and move to Zurich!
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Re: New language requirement for EU, C Permit

Some more info on this:

http://www.derbund.ch/schweiz/standa...story/29546169

From 2015 it is planned to introduce a "Sprachenpasss" (Language passport)
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Some more info on this:

http://www.derbund.ch/schweiz/standa...story/29546169

From 2015 it is planned to introduce a "Sprachenpasss" (Language passport)
Here is the info in English.
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The tide in CH seems to be turning against all foreigners. I wonder what restrictions they will bring in next?


Job adverts for Native Swiss German Speakers, and I have
seen many!
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Who exactly tests this language requirement? Is there an official government exam or can it be any language school?
The letter I received states it has to be as per the 'Europäisches Sprachenportfolio'. Googling this gave me www.sprachenportfolio.ch. I have not had time to look at it in details.
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Another question....assuming a language certification is required, does a non-working spouse also have to achieve this certification, or is it just the 'head' of the family? i.e. me.
My husband, minor son and I are all British. My husband's C was due in August last year, which went through smoothly without requiring a language certificate. My son was due with me this year but they gave it him last year along with his Dad ( we did not ask for it!). I am a non working spouse but I have to provide the Cert. It is on an individual basis.
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The letter I received states it has to be as per the 'Europäisches Sprachenportfolio'. Googling this gave me www.sprachenportfolio.ch. I have not had time to look at it in details.


This is the first time that I have ever heard of this....


The main diploma agencies I've heard of are Alliance Francaise,
Goethe Institut, etc.
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This is the first time that I have ever heard of this....


The main diploma agencies I've heard of are Alliance Francaise,
Goethe Institut, etc.
I think it must a a relatively new thing they've introduced in Switzerland.

They were using it in my son's German class in school last year (9th Harmos so age 12/13) and made a big thing about it all.
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Re: New language requirement for EU, C Permit

Since I'm here for a bit more than 5 years now (from the Netherlands), I recently had to renew my B permit. And without asking for it they upgraded it to a C permit. They wanted some additional documents (e.g. work contract status) but luckily no language proficiency certificate. It could help that the conversation was done in German (although not fluent).
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