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New language requirement for EU, C Permit

Since I could not find any info on the site, just thought to let people know that EU, or at least the British, need a Start Deutsch 2 language certificate (like the one from Goethe Institute I imagine) to be eligible for the C Permit in Kanton Zürich. It was confirmed to me by the Migrationsamt office in Zürich yesterday.
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Re: New language requirement for EU, C Permit

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Re: New language requirement for EU, C Permit

it might also be worthwhile telling us how easy it is for you to converse with the people at the Kreisbüro each time you go there? And did you ask the Migrationsamt in English or in German?
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Re: New language requirement for EU, C Permit

I could not find any online links. I searched and searched, thought somebody had made a mistake at the Migrationsamt and wrote to them in German. As there was no reply I called last afternoon, started off in German, then I switched to English as I am not upto complicated conversation in German. The lady was very polite and said yes this is a new rule. So she and I decided that I could renew my B Permit again and as and when I have my language requirement plus collect the other info required (criminal, social) I could send it in for converting my B to C. She also gave me an email address which is not listed on their letter so that I could write to them asking them to renew my B permit.
The contact details of the Zürich Migrationsamt: 0432598800, info@ma.zh.ch
Address:Berninastrasse 45, 8090 Zürich
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Since I could not find any info on the site, just thought to let people know that EU, or at least the British, need a Start Deutsch 2 language certificate (like the one from Goethe Institute I imagine) to be eligible for the C Permit in Kanton Zürich. It was confirmed to me by the Migrationsamt office in Zürich yesterday.

A forum member here got a C permit this week without a test kanton ZH
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Re: New language requirement for EU, C Permit

I checked this as I hope to be moving to a C permit soon but this was not mentioned. But maybe because I am not British (Dutch) and the whole conversation was in German?
This was also in Kanton Zurich.
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Re: New language requirement for EU, C Permit

i just checked the website and i cant see any update?

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/content/bfm...c_eu_efta.html

still the same rules...
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Re: New language requirement for EU, C Permit

My husband who is British was due for a C permit last year and had the same experience when he went to renew his permit. He was issued another B permit as he did not have the language requirement.

There was a list of countries provided that DO NOT have agreements with Switzerland with regards to permanent residency and Britain was one of them. For instance countries like Greece, Germany, Italy and others that I can't remember were countries that do have agreements in place so they automatically get a C. I will try and find a link to it and post it.
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Re: New language requirement for EU, C Permit

http://www.zg.ch/behoerden/sicherhei...etzesaenderung

This is the link regarding the change to C permit regulations in Canton Zug. I am assuming that this is the same regulation that has been put in place in Zurich. The line below refers to the agreements that the countries listed below have with Switzerland and thus they are issued a C permit without the language requirement. All other EU citizens must have the language requirement to get a C permit is my understanding from the document.

Aufgrund von Niederlassungsvereinbarungen und Erklärungen des Bundesrates erhalten die Staatsangehörigen folgender Staaten die Niederlassungsbewilligung nach einem ordnungsgemässen und ununterbrochenen Aufenthalt von fünf Jahren in der Schweiz:

Belgien, Bundesrepublik Deutschland, Dänemark, Frankreich, Fürstentum Liechtenstein, Griechenland, Italien, Niederlande, Österreich, Portugal und Spanien.
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Re: New language requirement for EU, C Permit

From the BFM website:

Bürger der EU-17 Staaten (ausser Zypern und Malta) und der EFTA erhalten aufgrund von Niederlassungsverträgen oder aus Gegenrechtsüberlegungen nach einem ordnungsgemässen und ununterbrochenen Aufenthalt von fünf Jahren die Niederlassungsbewilligung. Für Zypern, Malta, die EU-8 Staaten, Rumänien und Bulgarien bestehen keine derartigen Vereinbarungen.

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/content/bfm...c_eu_efta.html
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Re: New language requirement for EU, C Permit

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i just checked the website and i cant see any update?

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/content/bfm...c_eu_efta.html

still the same rules...
That's a federal site, it would depend on how the canton implements the federal policy.


AFAIK

it's stated in the federal rules that evidence of integration / language knowledge is required for a C permit. (sorry cant find the f'ing link right now)


Each Canton is free to decide how to check for this. It could be that ZH, having a lot of applications decided to require a certificate.
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Re: New language requirement for EU, C Permit

There's no shortage of people in Kanton Zug who would not pass a B1 oral exam, including many CH citizens.
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Re: New language requirement for EU, C Permit

maybe this link helps
http://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifie...index.html#a62

but there is another document which goes really into detail about how C-permits are supposed to be issued (it's a federal document explaining the "umsetzung" of the law linked above)
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Re: New language requirement for EU, C Permit

So, if you already have a C permit which was issued before this rule came into place, what will happen when the C permit needs to be renewed after 5 years? Will this language requirement then be applicable?
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So, if you already have a C permit which was issued before this rule came into place, what will happen when the C permit needs to be renewed after 5 years? Will this language requirement then be applicable?
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Re: New language requirement for EU, C Permit

Just as "chandana" and "Nadia77" stated - We had the very same experience ourselves.
Although our Gemeinde accepted the C-permit application we received a letter from Migrationsamt Zurich asking for A2-level German certificate individually from my partner and myself along with the other documents (criminal/social/credit etc.)
I went over personally to Migrationsamt ZH and the lady on the counter told me C-permit is not automatic for British citizens and citizens of certain countries i.e. France/Spain/Italy/Germany and few other countries are only eligible for auto-upgrade (from B to C).
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Just as "chandana" and "Nadia77" stated - We had the very same experience ourselves.
Although our Gemeinde accepted the C-permit application we received a letter from Migrationsamt Zurich asking for A2-level German certificate individually from my partner and myself along with the other documents (criminal/social/credit etc.)
I went over personally to Migrationsamt ZH and the lady on the counter told me C-permit is not automatic for British citizens and citizens of certain countries i.e. France/Spain/Italy/Germany and few other countries are only eligible for auto-upgrade (from B to C).
I wonder how they work it for people from France, Italy and German because they are already fluent in one of the official languages of Switzerland. Does that mean that a French person living in Zurich has to be A2 standard in German? Or someone from Germany should be of the same standard in French if they live in the French part.

This would put people from other EU countries which don't share a language with Switzerland at an uneven and unfair disadvantage.

It all seems a bit wobbly on a first pass.
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My husband who is British was due for a C permit last year and had the same experience when he went to renew his permit. He was issued another B permit as he did not have the language requirement.
Who exactly tests this language requirement? Is there an official government exam or can it be any language school?
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Re: New language requirement for EU, C Permit

So what exactly is the situation if you have a C permit? Or if you move regions, ie Geneva to Zurich. Speaking one national language isnt enough and they demand you then learn German as well?
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So what exactly is the situation if you have a C permit? Or if you move regions, ie Geneva to Zurich. Speaking one national language isnt enough and they demand you then learn German as well?
That's a good question, there really should be a way of getting "official" answers to these type of questions.
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