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Nope, only boring people. ;-)
You reckon? It's pretty animated here..
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Old 16.04.2014, 08:40
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You reckon? It's pretty animated here..

Oh, even repetitive animation grows tiresome after a while.
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Oh, even repetitive animation grows tiresome after a while.
Jawohl. Or being told one needs to change style in order to fit in the limited choice fashion here offers. The strangest marketing ever...it seems to work, I have seen a lot of city dwellers in hiking and hitec sporting gear, bountiful in our region. I should think about it..

In the meantime, I'm grateful for my tailoring skills. Since it looks like affordable means different things to different people, and many people usually have better things to do than bargain hunt.
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I looked great in my bin bag, but got arrested for not having a sticker.

Winti has tasteful gray bags with a splash of red. Appropriate for business wear. Belp, where we used to live had bright orange with black trim - I guess you could wear those out for an evening.

The standard black bag with a sticker is a no-no here, unless you're in the outlying areas. Alas, fashion is so fickle.
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Oh, even repetitive animation grows tiresome after a while.
I cannot agree with you more.
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Old 16.04.2014, 11:05
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Re: boring clothes

Here is my take: Some of the clothes here are nice (not boring), some fit - quite often, the two do not intersect. The biggest offender here is FABRIC. Clothes in my size tend to be made out of the worst fabrics ever for the size of the target clientele. WTF is up with that, seriously!

Secondly is that the sizes, while larger, are simply scaled up versions of the very same clothes designed for thinner folk. Gotta say y'all, once you start getting above a certain size, body shapes change drastically - where curves are (the ones you want to highlight), where bulges are (the ones you want to hide / disguise - certainly not enhance ) are in slightly different places, in different shapes.

So, if I do manage to find something I like the style of, I have to look out for it gaping or pulling across my shoulders or bust - because the cut is designed for someone who is size 38. By the time jeans fit in thigh, butt and hips, they're too big in the waist - while size 38 gals may be alright with their underpants hanging out as their jeans ride low on their hips, on size 48 (and more) that is really not the way to go. (This is particularly galling this week as I just bought some jeans last week that I keep having to hike up. Although, in hind sight, perhaps one size smaller may have been better, as the past month'ish walking around Basel with my father has had some positive results)
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But that's "YOUR" experience and that's fine...there are others with completely different experiences, and I have a right to voice my opinion about it...Is that illegal or something?...LOL

Switzerland is already caught-up with fashion, sorry. I can't let you get by with that one. I've worked the New York City circuit and Switzerland along with the UK, and Italy which is one of my favorites outside of Switzerland, and others, believe me Switzerland is not behind in fashion. Maybe you don't know where to look, or your fashion sense is behind the times, but Switzerland has some fabulous shops. And yes, you can find cheaper clothing as well.I think the owners of Les Greider Boutiques would find your analysis quite delusional, but you have a right to your opinion....LOL. And I don't care about thanks...that's neither here nor there. But I know it means something to many of you!
you mean Grieder ? I looked at their website. Just as boring as the others. In my opinion of course.
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Old 16.04.2014, 12:45
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you mean Grieder ? I looked at their website. Just as boring as the others. In my opinion of course.
I'm not a big fan of flash or flamboyant clothes, preferring the more "pedestrian" styles, but my impression is that a lot of places sell plain clothing with the intent that you then add accessories to sort of personalise your look.

There are no end of scarves / pashminas, big chunky statement jewellery, belts, handbags and whatnot around town which gives outfits a more interesting look.

My wardrobe is full of what people might call "dull and boring" clothes but if they get teamed up in different ways with different accessories I can normally scrub up fairly well if I feel the urge.
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Re: boring clothes

You see, I'd rather have my eyes gouged out with a spoon than spend a day clothes shopping. For me it's a chore, not a pleasurable activity.

It may well be that a store selling the kind of clothes I prefer at prices I am willing to pay exists somewhere here in Switzerland. But if it does, I certainly am not willing to waste my time hunting through the hundreds of boutiques that don't have what I want on the off chance of finding one hidden treasure among them. The expected return on my (time) investment simply does not justify the activity.

When I first moved here I tried to be a good local consumer. But I soon gave up, largely because I found myself reaching for that gouging spoon.

I'm not willing to seek out retailers - no, a retailer needs to get it's message to the consumer, to tempt me to spend not only my money but also my time. If a store exists here that sells what I want it has likely failed in it's marketing - because despite being a fairly well informed consumer, I've never seen advertising (online, in print media, on the street) that piques my interest enough to justify a visit.

Clothes shopping is what I do when insomnia hits. I buy online, in the wee small hours, from stores I know and trust.

Perhaps I am not a typical consumer. So be it. But retailers who expect customers to put in the work of finding them, or who do not offer what I want at a price I judge to be a good value, should not be surprised that I choose to shop elsewhere, with those who do.
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Old 16.04.2014, 18:08
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Well, you have to go to where it suits you best, that's understandable. However, you could probably do with more flexibility.
Typical Zürcherin: "If the customer can't find what she wants in our store then SHE must be at fault"...

... because a city of half a million is sure to have the variey and choice at a competitive price compared to a city of 10 million.

Aye, right. You don't half talk some shite sometimes, PJ.
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Old 16.04.2014, 18:41
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you mean Grieder ? I looked at their website. Just as boring as the others. In my opinion of course.
Yeah, Grieder carries a lot of top designers like Vivienne Westwood, Missoni, Ralph Lauren, Steve Madden...and the like, with prices to match. However, they have some lower priced quality items as well. I don't think Vivienne Westwood is considered boring it is probably more of an acquired taste and how much you can afford. I'm sure you will evenutually find something that suits you, somewhere!...Good Luck

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Typical Zürcherin: "If the customer can't find what she wants in our store then SHE must be at fault"...

... because a city of half a million is sure to have the variey and choice at a competitive price compared to a city of 10 million.

Aye, right. You don't half talk some shite sometimes, PJ.
No one's at fault here DB, but you'd be surprised at what a bit of flexibility will do. However, I'm on the "inside" of the industry so you have to take that into consideration as well. I can find something for any person, believe me...LOL It's like speaking with a professional chef. Someone says "there are no nice dishes to eat here." And the chef says, " Oh...no my friend...you just have to put together the right ingredients." Heck, I could find something in the Amazon if I had to! Some people see limitation in their surroundings and others opportunity...it's just the way it is. I'm fine.
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Old 16.04.2014, 18:58
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Re: boring clothes

I like your creativity, PJ. Don't over react when people disagree..I think people aren't so crazy about spending more time and/or cash on clothes than necessary, I'm with melloncollie on this one, fo sho. I dread needing something coz it's such a pita to find it here. Maybe you could open a thread for summer fashion recommendation?

So far, I've been reminded of the painful flick Zoolander here on a number of occasions.

I tried to like some designers, since I can make it myself, but no. It's rarely my world. It's mostly pointlessly hipster, shocking and often not flattering, not feminine enough. I also think most swatch, crocs, uggs and likes are plastic and kitch (uggs get called mammoth feet by my girlfriends). Freitag as well, but love the recycling idea and how durable they are.

So...people won't slave trends, yet will desire interesting clothes that aren't dull.
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Yeah, Grieder carries a lot of top designers like Vivienne Westwood, Missoni, Ralph Lauren, Steve Madden...and the like, with prices to match. However, they have some lower priced quality items as well. I don't think Vivienne Westwood is considered boring it is probably more of an acquired taste and how much you can afford. I'm sure you will evenutually find something that suits you, somewhere!...Good Luck

No one's at fault here DB, but you'd be surprised at what a bit of flexibility will do. However, I'm on the "inside" of the industry so you have to take that into consideration as well. I can find something for any person, believe me...LOL It's like speaking with a professional chef. Someone says "there are no nice dishes to eat here." And the chef says, " Oh...no my friend...you just have to put together the right ingredients." Heck, I could find something in the Amazon if I had to! Some people see limitation in their surroundings and others opportunity...it's just the way it is. I'm fine.
The glaringly obvious point being made is that for the average shopper, the shops in the cities of Switzerland do not have the range of styles and brands of clothing at most common price points, compared to far larger cities cities like London or Paris.

Your constant arguments and posturings to the contrary are based around you being an "industry insider who could find style in the Amazon". Newsflash: most people aren't.
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I like your creativity, PJ. Don't over react when people disagree..I think people aren't so crazy about spending more time and/or cash on clothes than necessary, I'm with melloncollie on this one, fo sho. I dread needing something coz it's such a pita to find it here. Maybe you could open a thread for summer fashion recommendation?

So far, I've been reminded of the painful flick Zoolander here on a number of occasions.

I tried to like some designers, since I can make it myself, but no. It's rarely my world. It's mostly pointlessly hipster, shocking and often not flattering, not feminine enough. I also think most swatch, crocs, uggs and likes are plastic and kitch (uggs get called mammoth feet by my girlfriends). Freitag as well, but love the recycling idea and how durable they are.

So...people won't slave trends, yet will desire interesting clothes that aren't dull.
You seem like a very creative person so I'm sure that you're able to mix your personal style with the various pieces you find that you like in Switzerland. It's nice to keep your own style while adding different touches here and there.

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The glaringly obvious point being made is that for the average shopper, the shops in the cities of Switzerland do not have the range of styles and brands of clothing at most common price points, compared to far larger cities cities like London or Paris.

Your constant arguments and posturings to the contrary are based around you being an "industry insider who could find style in the Amazon". Newsflash: most people aren't.
And that's fine so what's the problem? People can write a post but I can't respond?
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Re: boring clothes

I generally think that when a women says," she has nothing to wear as they only have boring clothes here!" What she really means is, "There's nothing here for who I'm supposed to be today."
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you mean Grieder ? I looked at their website. Just as boring as the others. In my opinion of course.
You got me curious, Kittekat. Would you care to post a link to a favourite shop/brand etc.?
Otherwise, even the most willing and competent people could not recommend you anything useful since they know nothing about your style or preferences. It's like asking "what should I have for dinner?" and then it comes "Oysters and peanuts" and you're allergic to both.
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Re: boring clothes

I for one cannot help thinking that we are talking illusions here. I think the words 'Kleider machen Leute' carry more than just a grain of truth and underline our obsession with false values.






There can be no doubt that a skirt for instance can be judged or seen to be nice, or in the worst case considered to be 'fashionable', but it's the figure and the person who wears it that makes the difference.






It's not a jaunty hat that makes a woman attractive - it's the attractive woman who makes the hat attractive.


Mirrors lie and all clothes shops should be fitted with devices that show the person and the being-tried-on clothes (considered from the front to be 'just right') from behind.


My shop is Vögele - never had any complaints yet...
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I just checked your profile (sorry Busby, I couldn't resist) and you're a man.
Of course everything is plain and simple in this regard.

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Just wanted to add that the mirrors in the changing rooms are the least flattering of all mirrors.
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I just checked your profile (sorry Busby, I couldn't resist) and you're a man.
Of course everything is plain and simple in this regard.



Just wanted to add that the mirrors in the changing rooms are the least flattering of all mirrors.


Yes, exactly - everyone looking for mirrors that flatter instead of reflecting the truth!


My point was that pieces of clothing, looked at individually and not found wanting, take on a different life when donned.


I'm glad I'm a man too - in this respect - as is normal the two pairs of trousers I found in Vögele on Tuesday were the first ones I had in my hand. I know my size!! They are perfect for me and a lovely colour - one pair is a sort of beige and the other is blue, pproblem solved.


Oh dear!
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