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So basically the message is that those of us who can travel abroad frequently are ok to get stuff cheap, whereas all the poor feckers who are stuck in Switzerland all year round have to pay a fortune to support some non-existent rural market or something something.

People will justify literally anything.
I think location makes the difference. With GA (I need for work, anyways), zipping over the border in a few minutes costs nothing. Most people I know, including myself, invest in the local market, when they can afford it.
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Also, to get cheaper food here 'you' need to adapt to a certain extent.
I agree with your comment. I can appreciate, however, that for some people, it is more difficult to adapt. Sometimes being far from "home", the few comforts we have, we cling to; specially when it comes to food!

I moved from my country of birth when I was 20; this has allowed me to become a chameleon and adapt my taste buds. The downside is my cooking is not considered authentic by my mother
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I agree with your comment. I can appreciate, however, that for some people, it is more difficult to adapt. Sometimes being far from "home", the few comforts we have, we cling to; specially when it comes to food!

I moved from my country of birth when I was 20; this has allowed me to become a chameleon and adapt my taste buds. The downside is my cooking is not considered authentic by my mother
Same here, don't sweat it. I am not too bothered since now it is her who is learning to cook most new meals from me more often than the other way round
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Re: You've been Switzerlanded - what does it mean for you?

I go to the UK regularly to see daughters and grand-children- and stock up with paracetamol which I need for my arthritis whilst there- it does NOT stop me from understanding the social and other costs of small independent chemists closing in suburbs and urban areas in the UK- and not wanting this to happen here. Paracetamol, like milk and bread- are sold by big supermarket and chains as 'losers' to bring people through the door. As said, I can see the positives- but I can also truly see the negatives and why Switzerland chooses not to go down that route. The price is fixed I believe- so whether inner Zuri or Glanerland, price should be the same, or more or less so. A choice, a reason is what my post was trying to say. We use our local chemists for the drugs required for our medical conditions- partly due to above, and partly because that is the only way we can get reimbursed- but when I see packs of paracemol less than 40p for 38- I naturally buy them- and I don't really think this makes me a hypocrit- just common sense, surely

Clumsy Maman I totally agree with you about the comforts from 'back home' - of course. As BelgianMum said earlier- it passes over time- in fact when we go to UK now, we really don't bring much stuff back at all- I ask OH what he'd like, and he says 'Ginger nut biscuits- that's all'. And of course, in the UK in the 70s, the choice of foods from abroad was VERY limited anyhow- and VERY expensive, and (get violins out) we were very hard up- I could not work due to injuries (car accident) and OH was working all hours of day, night and week-end for a pittance whilst the rent for our damp, cold, cra**y flat in a Victorian attic on Putney Hill was costing us a fortune. So adapt I had to, and fast- no way could I have had access to comfort foods from home, and no way could we have afforded to buy them anyhow
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But people in the cities have limited access to Landi.
Oh with two Landi about 10 mins' drive from where we live, it is now confirmed that I live in the sticks! ;o)
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Old 29.04.2014, 12:30
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I go to the UK regularly to see daughters and grand-children- and stock up with paracetamol which I need for my arthritis whilst there-... when I see packs of paracemol less than 40p for 38- I naturally buy them- and I don't really think this makes me a hypocrit- just common sense, surely
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Re: You've been Switzerlanded - what does it mean for you?

I am trying to work out whether having a local baker, butcher, pharmacy, school, post office, mechanic, plumber, carpenter etc etc - and having to pay a higher price - is actually a bad thing.

We get so caught up in chasing the price down - we miss the social impact of what we are doing.

We complain that we can't buy $3 T-shirts here - but then are quick to be horrified by sweat shops and child labour.

We are quick to complain about a 4chf loaf of bread - but slow to praise being able to walk 100m to a local bakery to buy freshly made (from ingredients) bread.

We moan about a 6chf tin on baked beans - but forget the convieniance of having an acceptably large COOP/Migros within walking distance - pretty much anywhere in Switzerland. (For reference - in the last few years supermarkets in the UK have begun to return to smaller premises in a reversal to their 80/90s expansion of large out of town stores).

Prices here are massively distorted compared to the UK/US/EU simply down to the appreciation of the CHF. But prices here, overall, haven't increased massively in 10 years - well, a pint in one of the pubs was 8chf 10 years ago - it is now 9chf!

The alternative to living here is to not live here. And if that was really so much better - we'd not be here - would we?
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I'm alright, Jack!

You know this is not what I am saying- cheap- but you enjoy it if it makes you feel better, hey

Dodgyken- interesting comments, and worth thinking about. Let's look at milk in the UK, sold so cheap as 'losers' to bring people through the door- and with a supermarket monopoly which forces producers to industrialise milk production, cutting on welfare and husbandry, using more antibiotics, etc, with cows rarely seeing day-light or a blade of fresh grass, let alone a flower.... Truly, I'd rather pay a bit more for my milk and have the happy cows that live all around me here.


Food waste generated in the UK by bogof or 2 for 1 type offers (buy one get one free) is massive. People just can't say no to such an offer- there is only so many tangerines you can eat in a few days- and the rest goes into the bin. A few people get organised with neighbours to share, or cook and freeze- and yet millions of chickens from such offers, etc, just go in the bin a few days later as SBD gone. Tragic- such cheap offers make people lose all respect for food (including the production facts for such). So yes, I agree totally Dodgyken.
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I am trying to work out whether having a local baker, butcher, pharmacy, school, post office, mechanic, plumber, carpenter etc etc - and having to pay a higher price - is actually a bad thing.

We get so caught up in chasing the price down - we miss the social impact of what we are doing.

We complain that we can't buy $3 T-shirts here - but then are quick to be horrified by sweat shops and child labour.

We are quick to complain about a 4chf loaf of bread - but slow to praise being able to walk 100m to a local bakery to buy freshly made (from ingredients) bread.

We moan about a 6chf tin on baked beans - but forget the convieniance of having an acceptably large COOP/Migros within walking distance - pretty much anywhere in Switzerland. (For reference - in the last few years supermarkets in the UK have begun to return to smaller premises in a reversal to their 80/90s expansion of large out of town stores).

Prices here are massively distorted compared to the UK/US/EU simply down to the appreciation of the CHF. But prices here, overall, haven't increased massively in 10 years - well, a pint in one of the pubs was 8chf 10 years ago - it is now 9chf!

The alternative to living here is to not live here. And if that was really so much better - we'd not be here - would we?
Some people have no choice. I would not assume the reason everyone chases the low prices are just to save a little bit, for the sake of saving itself, not a necessity. Nor that all of us are here because they consider it a win in their life or career, either.

(I like it here. Except the ocassional rip offs and some simplistic ways to go about things, at times)
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I am trying to work out whether having a local baker, butcher, pharmacy, school, post office, mechanic, plumber, carpenter etc etc - and having to pay a higher price - is actually a bad thing.
Well, this is the funny thing. With the exception of clothes and books I buy everything in Switzerland, mostly within a ten mile radius of our house.

But you won't hear me whining about local shops closing down or how hard it is for elderly people to get to the shops because, after all, business is business. I love our local hardware store, but if there was a Hornbach nearby he'd go out of business. So it goes. That's business.

Meanwhile, some of the biggest justifiers of outrageous prices in CH on this thread have freely admitted that they do a lot of their shopping over the border or in England.

Sure, it's fine for them. Not so nice for the rest of us, though, is it?

But as long as I can pay 20 chuffs for a tube of Magnesium tablets at a city centre pharmacists, at least we know that Herr Tschudi is going to get his meds cheap from the non-existent pharmacist at the end of his barn. Or something.

Who knows what the next justification for outrageous prices will be from our border hopping friends?
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You know this is not what I am saying- cheap- but you enjoy it if it makes you feel better, hey
It's exactly what you're saying, Odile.

I have to pay 20 bloody chuffs for a tube of magnesium which costs as little as 3 francs at a supermarket, but you're ok because you buy your stuff at Tesco.

Nice. Great for you.
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Re: You've been Switzerlanded - what does it mean for you?

If you were nicer and cleverer- you would ask me nicely to buy you some in the UK... been twice already this year. And you know many people who go fairly often- so just ask nicely.

Just because I take advantage of cheaper prices in the UK for such things, does now mean I cannot see the reason why CH chooses not to go that route.

Leave you to it and take your toys away for a while, cheerio.
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If you were nicer and cleverer- you would ask me nicely to buy you some in the UK...
Great, then that's two of us sorted.

What about Margrit next door, or the Almeida family down the road?

You really don't get it, do you?
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lol he used up all his boot space on our journey with pedigree, priorities eh?
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lol he used up all his boot space on our journey with pedigree, priorities eh?
I'm guessing it wasn't pedigree chum.
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Meanwhile, some of the biggest justifiers of outrageous prices in CH on this thread are rich
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Yeah, but the cut is done so badly you have to go back 2 days later to have it redone.

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Some people have no choice. I would not assume the reason everyone chases the low prices are just to save a little bit, for the sake of saving itself, not a necessity. Nor that all of us are here because they consider it a win in their life or career, either.

(I like it here. Except the ocassional rip offs and some simplistic ways to go about things, at times)
I like it here too, I wouldn't have struggled with the language(s) and other inconveniences if I didn't believe I could fit in here and enjoy doing so, one day.
What are other people for, here, if they don't consider CH to be a win for their life or career, in general? Fair enough, one could have that "win" in other places too, yet one chooses CH. That doesn't make it any less of a "win".

Unless you're talking about local people or about Odile - who is a Swiss too.
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Of course I get it - and Margrit and Almeida can get magnesium on prescription from their docs no problem anyhow- btw I don't know of any GPs who do their own dispensing in this part of CH- so could you if your GP agrees it will help any medical condition- my dad used to get magnesium on prescription- but chose to buy it from Migros. Your choice... all I am saying it why 2 countries have decided not to follow the same route and there are + and -.

Being on a UK pension which has lost 40% of its value since arrival here- I do not complain, but if I see the opportunity to buy cheaper for some things, I will- and also try and make use of our community local shops and produce too. We are the only 'expats' in our area, and I do not think my buying paracetamol or T-shirts and knickers in the UK, and some stuff in France with shops closer than our Swiss shops- will make much difference to Margrit (Marguerite) or Almaida- truly. Enjoy your Pedigree, cheers- we never bring back beer- and prefer Cider as OH originates from Devon.
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Re: You've been Switzerlanded - what does it mean for you?

What I don't get is how everyone affords to go to the UK so often. At Easter, flights for me and 2 school age kids - 1000chf.

We went to Glarus instead with my GA!
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