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Old 17.05.2014, 22:07
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I'm sure she's happy to see (and charge you) when it's unnecessary. Nonetheless, standard medical advice is to only see a doctor if there are problems, or you see the rash.The major downside of unnecessarily taking antibiotics when they're not really needed is called antibiotic resistance. Lyme disease is awful - antibiotic-resist Lyme disease is far worse.
Wow! Way to impugn the professionalism of someone you don't even know there...

Having read the various helpful links, I now think I may have misunderstood her. She told me that one doesn't necessarily feel ticks bite, then to come in if I got a bullseye rash. I interpreted that as the rash being a sign that one had been bitten, but I see now that it's a sign of infection rather than of any bite.

Definitely need to get a tick remover - I've been using tweezers to get them off the dogs, but it's awkward when they wriggle (the dogs, that is, not the ticks...)

OH walked them today in the fields and other woods - no ticks at all. I think the forest behind us must be particularly badly infested, which is a shame because it's a nicer walk.
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Definitely need to get a tick remover - I've been using tweezers to get them off the dogs, but it's awkward when they wriggle (the dogs, that is, not the ticks...)
The tick remover sold at most of the pet shops is similar to tweezers but plastic.

I recommend the Scalibor collar. We have been using it with our 3 dogs for years. I believe it is only available from the veterinarian's office.
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The tick remover sold at most of the pet shops is similar to tweezers but plastic.

I recommend the Scalibor collar. We have been using it with our 3 dogs for years. I believe it is only available from the veterinarian's office.
I have beeb wondering if dogs can get lyme disease too and how would one see it?
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Old 18.05.2014, 01:02
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The tick remover sold at most of the pet shops is similar to tweezers but plastic.

I recommend the Scalibor collar. We have been using it with our 3 dogs for years. I believe it is only available from the veterinarian's office.
Does the collar repel the from ticks landing on the dogs? Our two are treated with Frontline so any tick that bites them ought to die, although I pull them out if I see them anyway, but a bigger problem is ticks crawling on their fur and then dropping out in the house - hence combing them thoroughly before we come home.
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Does the collar repel the from ticks landing on the dogs? Our two are treated with Frontline so any tick that bites them ought to die, although I pull them out if I see them anyway, but a bigger problem is ticks crawling on their fur and then dropping out in the house - hence combing them thoroughly before we come home.
Here is a link in English to the website of the manufacturer. There is a video showing how it works.
http://www.merck-animal-health-usa.c.../overview.aspx

In the video they refer to one size but I believe there are 2 sizes. We buy the larger one and cut off the excess.

I suppose there is always a chance of a tick falling off in the house if it landed on the dog shortly before you got home.
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Old 18.05.2014, 09:39
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I have beeb wondering if dogs can get lyme disease too and how would one see it?
They can get it but I have no idea what symptoms to look for in dogs.
When we were living in Boston we knew some people whose dog was being treated for Lyme disease and it was quite a long treatment IIRC.

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Old 18.05.2014, 10:30
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I have beeb wondering if dogs can get lyme disease too and how would one see it?

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Many dogs with Lyme disease have recurrent lameness of the limbs due to inflammation of the joints. Others, meanwhile, may develop acute lameness, which lasts for only three to four days but recurs days to weeks later, with lameness in the same leg, or in other legs. Better known as “shifting-leg lameness,” this condition is characterized by lameness in one leg, with a return to normal function, and another leg is then involved; one or more joints may be swollen and warm; a pain response is elicited by feeling the joint; responds well to antibiotic treatment.

Some dogs may also develop kidney problems. If left untreated, it may lead to glomerulonephritis, which causes inflammation and accompanying dysfunction of the kidney's glomeruli (essentially, a blood filter). Eventually, total kidney failure sets in and the dog begins to exhibit such signs as vomiting, diarrhea, lack of appetite, weight loss, increased urination and thirst, fluid buildup in the abdomen and fluid buildup in the tissues, especially the legs and under the skin.

Other symptoms associated with Lyme disease include:

Stiff walk with an arched back
Sensitive to touch
Difficulty breathing
Fever, lack of appetite, and depression may accompany inflammation of the joints
Superficial lymph nodes close to the site of the infecting tick bite may be swollen
Heart abnormalities are reported, but rare; they include complete heart block
Nervous system complications (rare)
http://www.petmd.com/dog/conditions/...g_lyme_disease
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Old 18.05.2014, 10:57
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Re: ticks are in big numbers

Another good link discussing tick born diseases in dogs, from the Schweizerische Vereiniung für Kleintiermedizin:
http://www.kleintiermedizin.ch/hund/zecken/index.html

One of the issues in diagnosing a tick-born disease is that the symptoms could point to many other conditions as well.

(What we originally thought was FSME now looks more likely to be epilepsy, for instance.)

Another issue is that the presence of antibodies does not necessarily mean an active disease. Again an example: it is thought that many dogs in Switzerland will test positive for FSME, but the disease itself is uncommon. Most positive titer dogs will have successfully fought off the infection.

But that does not mean one should be complacent. Quite the contrary - if your dog shows any of the signs in DB's post above, even if you have not found a tick, always specifically ask your vet whether testing for tick born disease is warranted, or not. If there is any doubt, ask for a referral to the Tierspital.
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I found a tick on my daughters ankle on Saturday (her socks came off her leggings) but by the time I was halfway home and had my tick remover it had fallen off. I did a check of limbs and exposed parts (I found one on her ear last year, checky beggers) but found no more. Tonight she was snuggling me and I noticed one of the little shites in her armpit! Her armpit for chrissakes! It was big, obviously eating for a while, now there is a lump where I removed it. The head should not still be stuck in when removed with the remover thing should it?
Tomorrow we have our third FSME shots so she should be protected against that, and I know to look out for the bulls-eye. But still.
Her armpit! How in the turtles name did it get there?
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Old 08.06.2015, 22:09
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My neighbour's six year old has got Lyme's disease after a tick bite two weeks ago.
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Getting paranoid about ticks..... should children ages 5 and above get the tick immunization shots?
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Getting paranoid about ticks..... should children ages 5 and above get the tick immunization shots?
Check the map and info here


If you never go in the woods or forests then I probably wouldn't bother. Ours have been done but we're always in the woods.

The immunisation won't prevent Lyme's disease so even if you get it against encephalitis, you still ought to use an anti-tick spray when out and about.
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Getting paranoid about ticks..... should children ages 5 and above get the tick immunization shots?
We are in Basel too. My daughter picked up a tick in her school playground. I spent the next month really worrying myself sick. After that we had the injections. I did too (in solidarity!). They were ok. Much less stressful than the worrying.

We are not in an encephalitis area but very close by (2KM away).

I since found out nearly all the children in her local class have had the vaccination. Post vaccination you still need to check for symptoms of Lyme disease but this, though more common, is treatable with antibiotics whereas the way to protect against the more serious encephalitis is by vaccination.
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We are in Basel too. My daughter picked up a tick in her school playground. I spent the next month really worrying myself sick. After that we had the injections. I did too (in solidarity!). They were ok. Much less stressful than the worrying.

We are not in an encephalitis area but very close by (2KM away).

I since found out nearly all the children in her local class have had the vaccination. Post vaccination you still need to check for symptoms of Lyme disease but this, though more common, is treatable with antibiotics whereas the way to protect against the more serious encephalitis is by vaccination.
How old is your daughter? My 5 year old niece is coming for a visit for a couple of weeks. Sheˆll be playing in a lot of parks and wooded areas. Is there a minimum age for this shot?
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The immunisation won't prevent Lyme's disease so even if you get it against encephalitis, you still ought to use an anti-tick spray when out and about.
Thanks Tom for sharing this map - scary stuff, reading about it.

I know you also have kids - can I ask what anti-tick spray you use? We do the usual checks after every hike, but it would be good to get some extra help.

Thanks in advance,
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Getting paranoid about ticks..... should children ages 5 and above get the tick immunization shots?
When I moved here I asked about Tick Bourne Encephalitis shots for my 3 yr old and the doctor said we should wait until she is 6, which is why we are only having her third shot tomorrow (1, then 2nd in a month, the 3rd at 6 months).
Can not do anything about Lyme's disease though, antivaxxers got that vaccine pulled (for children, not for dogs)
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Thanks Tom for sharing this map - scary stuff, reading about it.

I know you also have kids - can I ask what anti-tick spray you use? We do the usual checks after every hike, but it would be good to get some extra help.

Thanks in advance,
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I use the child friendly smelly one for now, but forgot it on Saturday. Remember to check armpits!
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Hi Camembert

The vaccinations were a series of 3. 1st then 2nd a month later then 3rd 6 months later. I remember reading that children under 5 now have the vaccination in Austria. You need to speak to a medic but it is likely that the vaccination timings would not suit your visitor.

The best 2nd prevention is to take the advice on the right clothing and go to parks & outdoor swimming pools that are well cultivated and stay away from long grass and bushes. Ticks don't drop off trees, they wait on bushes and in long grass for an animal (or human!) to pass by.

Also trips to the mountains are a good idea as ticks only occur below a certain altitude. You need to check exactly, as they are being found higher and higher but for example in Valais there are no reported encephalitis cases at altitude according to Tom's referenced map.
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Remember to check armpits!
And without being too crude check the 'bum crack' and private bits too.
The like to crawl into warm, moist places and often get overlooked 'down there'.
One on my son's friends had one on his testicle ( sort if underneath at the back) after a cub camp and it was quite a while before it was discovered. He ended up with lyme's disease.
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And without being too crude check the 'bum crack' and private bits too.
The like to crawl into warm, moist places and often get overlooked 'down there'.
One on my son's friends had one on his testicle ( sort if underneath at the back) after a cub camp and it was quite a while before it was discovered. He ended up with lyme's disease.
I did a full body search after finding the one in her armpit. I didn't know they would travel that far, I only used to check a couple of inches beyond the exposed area.... I hope the boy responded to treatment... How long before he was diagnosed?
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