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Gluten free/lactose free diet. Will it ever get easier?

I would like to ask if there is anyone here who is on gluten free or lactose free diet.
It looks like I have IBS and although my tests didn't indicate any lactose or gluten intolerance my sister ( who is a doctor by the way) recommended to stay of products containing gluten for at least two weeks to see how my body is responding to it.
I think my doctor mentioned this test too but I ignored it when my tests came out negative.

So today I went to organic food shop in Zurich and Alnatura in Zug and my culinary future looks hopeless... This food his horrible, no color, no taste, weird bread packed in plastic bags and not too much choice.

I asked for coffee with soya milk instead of cow milk this morning in Zurich and they couldn't provide it. Strabucks has it but I don't want this place to be my only choice when I want to relax with a cuppa.

I love good food, trying new recipes and cooking but from now I need to be on very strict diet to see what is causing this reaction. I already know I have to reduce sugar to minimum as I might be also allergic to glucose/fructose as I also get sick after eating chocolate or some fruits, grapes for example.

Do you know anyone on gluten free diet who got used to it and doesn't suffer much? I was munching on gluten free crackers almost all day but I won't survive like this very long.

Are there any gluten free restaurants in Zurich?
If I go to pizzeria and I ask for pizza with gluten free flour do I have any chance to get it? I am tempted to ask but they will probably think I am crazy or see me as difficult customer. I am sure many waiters don't even know what gluten intolerance is. Are restaurants today prepared to serve clients with food intolerances/allergies or on special diets?


Where should I go shopping for gluten free products?
And finally, could someone recommend tasty/easy gluten free recipes?
I know I can eat potatoes, rice and quinoa which I love so it's a good start.

All help will be much appreciated
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Re: Gluten free/lactose free diet. Will it ever get easier?

We think my wife has developed a gluten intolerance so we've been living gluten free for the last month or so and not found it that difficult.

You'll find that most Manor's, Co-op and Migros have a range of gluten free products, in fact the Migros Natura shop in Metalli has a very good range of things.

Also check out this website it has a good list of alternatives. If you can find Gluten free soy sauce, then you'll find a lot of Japanese cuisine is gluten free. A great alternative to pizza is Okonomiyaki just make sure you use a gluten free flour.

She has also done a lot of baking all gluten free and everybody that has tried the results has not realised that things have been gluten free.

Gluten free pizza's do exist, but I'm if they exist in Switzerland.
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Re: Gluten free/lactose free diet. Will it ever get easier?

It's a piece of cake: forget about "gluten-free" products and simply go for foods which are naturally gluten free, like steak, vegetables, salad, fish... (the list is quite long).

There are a couple of quite comprehensive threads on gluten intolerance already on the forum - I should imagine they're already down there at the bottom of the page.

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It's a piece of cake: forget about "gluten-free" products and simply go for foods which are naturally gluten free, like steak, vegetables, salad, fish... (the list is quite long).
this.

just cut out everything with grains in it for a while. yes that is pretty much all the good stuff. when youre as proud as a 3 year old every morning you can try to dial the grains up again.

watch out for side effects though as you could lose a bunch of body fat as well.
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Re: Gluten free/lactose free diet. Will it ever get easier?

same advice as others. My son has coeliac (diagnosed by blood test and endoscopy) and had been glute-free for 7 years now.

Instead of focusing on the 'no' foods, focus on the 'yes' foods.

You can buy lactose-free cow's milk, from the normal supermarket, and if it is UHT then it does not have to be stored in the fridge, so for coffee etc either get used to having it black, or take your own lactose-free stuff.

For bread substitutes...yes....they aren't so nice... so stick with rice, rice noodles, corn, potatoes, which are all naturally gluten-free. We have no trouble with 'pommes' (potato chips/fries) usually, but of course they aren't a very healthy option.

Did you actually have the proper coeliac screening blood test ? Were you eating big amounts of gluten at the time of the test (minimum 2 slices of bread per day) ?

There is also a scientific research coming out of the gastroenterology field in Australia which is called 'FODMAP' - it is based on the hypothesis that people who are not coeliac (coeliac is absolutely diagnosable with an endoscopy and biopsies where they take small pieces of the intestine lining and put them under a microscope) - have another quite different condition. They recommend a 'FODMAP'diet - info is here:
http://www.ibsdiets.org/fodmap-diet/fodmap-food-list/

It is a lot more complex than just gluten, but I know a few people who have given it a go.

On the link the 'pink' list is the 'avoid' list and the green list is the 'eat lots' list.

Have you also been tested for lactose intolerance ? When your digestive system is functioning poorly, lactose/cow's milk protein intolerance can be a symptom, but might not actually be the primary problem.

There are also a lot of other conditions that might be contributing to your IBS symptoms - are you talking to the GP or were you referred to a gastroenterologist ? Personally, based on my own experience with my son, I would go to a gastroenterologist to get properly diagnosed.

IBS is supposed to be a 'last diagnosis' once all other conditions are ruled out...
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Re: Gluten free/lactose free diet. Will it ever get easier?

Google quinoa chocolate cake....make it...and eat. It'll make you see gluten free in a much more positive light!
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Re: Gluten free/lactose free diet. Will it ever get easier?

Perhaps consider allergy assessment, as the body reacts in combination with other potentially undiagnosed conditions. I developed all manner of food allergies here in Switzerland and it took a while to discover why. Desensitisation therapy worked wonders. Since treatment 95% of reactions have vanished. Best CHF1000 I've ever spent and it took no effort to administer.
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Perhaps consider allergy assessment, as the body reacts in combination with other potentially undiagnosed conditions. I developed all manner of food allergies here in Switzerland and it took a while to discover why. Desensitisation therapy worked wonders. Since treatment 95% of reactions have vanished. Best CHF1000 I've ever spent and it took no effort to administer.

Shall I ask for food allergy tests?
I already did lactose and gluten intolerance tests and results were fine which is actually bad for me. If I knew it is gluten or lactose I could eliminate it from my diet which will improve a lot.

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Google quinoa chocolate cake....make it...and eat. It'll make you see gluten free in a much more positive light!
Looks like I react badly to any type if sugar so not sure about anything with chocolate. One piece of chocolate, one candy or a bit of grapes can give me bad reaction.

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It's a piece of cake!
Sorry but no, it is not. It looks like it can be gluten but also fructose intolerance. since I am on gluten free products (3 full days so far) I still have same reaction. Nothing changed. After eating gluten free cake I was bloated like after having normal bread. These reactions make no sense but maybe I need full 2 weeks of gluten free diet to see any difference.

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Looks like I react badly to any type if sugar so not sure about anything with chocolate. One piece of chocolate, one candy or a bit of grapes can give me bad reaction.
Sounds like FODMAPs to me. See above.
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Re: Gluten free/lactose free diet. Will it ever get easier?

I had normal blood tests, nothing to do with eating gluten every day. Shall I ask for these tests? What exactly shall I ask for?


Corn you say. Does it mean I can have natchos?
I will look for lactose free cow's milk for sure. Thanks.

I was adviced to have colonoscopy but I didn't do it yet. I was thinking of doing it in my home country as I know brilliant gastroenterologist there so from my point of view it would be safer... and much cheaper. In Zug colonoscopy costs around 600 CHF. I don't think insurance will cover that.
Gastrologist I spoke to in Zug said if I decided to do screening somewhere else he might refuse to treat me but this is normal I think. Doctors want latest checkups and done by them not someone else. The problem is I don't really need colonoscopy. My results were only slightly below normal and my family doctor wasn't even sure if I need to have it done at all.

For now I would like to try with diet and maybe food enzymes to see if there is improvement.


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same advice as others. My son has coeliac (diagnosed by blood test and endoscopy) and had been glute-free for 7 years now.

Instead of focusing on the 'no' foods, focus on the 'yes' foods.

You can buy lactose-free cow's milk, from the normal supermarket, and if it is UHT then it does not have to be stored in the fridge, so for coffee etc either get used to having it black, or take your own lactose-free stuff.

For bread substitutes...yes....they aren't so nice... so stick with rice, rice noodles, corn, potatoes, which are all naturally gluten-free. We have no trouble with 'pommes' (potato chips/fries) usually, but of course they aren't a very healthy option.

Did you actually have the proper coeliac screening blood test ? Were you eating big amounts of gluten at the time of the test (minimum 2 slices of bread per day) ?

There is also a scientific research coming out of the gastroenterology field in Australia which is called 'FODMAP' - it is based on the hypothesis that people who are not coeliac (coeliac is absolutely diagnosable with an endoscopy and biopsies where they take small pieces of the intestine lining and put them under a microscope) - have another quite different condition. They recommend a 'FODMAP'diet - info is here:
http://www.ibsdiets.org/fodmap-diet/fodmap-food-list/

It is a lot more complex than just gluten, but I know a few people who have given it a go.

On the link the 'pink' list is the 'avoid' list and the green list is the 'eat lots' list.

Have you also been tested for lactose intolerance ? When your digestive system is functioning poorly, lactose/cow's milk protein intolerance can be a symptom, but might not actually be the primary problem.

There are also a lot of other conditions that might be contributing to your IBS symptoms - are you talking to the GP or were you referred to a gastroenterologist ? Personally, based on my own experience with my son, I would go to a gastroenterologist to get properly diagnosed.

IBS is supposed to be a 'last diagnosis' once all other conditions are ruled out...
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Re: Gluten free/lactose free diet. Will it ever get easier?

Hi IzabelaInZug,

The Migros list of products without allergens can be found here (Sortimentsliste, file at the bottom of the page). The extensive Coop list of gluten and lactose free products can be found here.

Have you tried rice yet? Cooked rice with plain meat, plain rice cakes (Reiswaffeln), rice flour for baking, rice milk... It's gluten free and lactose free so it might be an option for you. You can spice it up with things you can digest

In case you find out it is only lactose and gluten intolerance but not fructose, you can make chocolate mousse without dairy - chocolate and eggs only.
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I would like to ask if there is anyone here who is on gluten free or lactose free diet.
It looks like I have IBS and although my tests didn't indicate any lactose or gluten intolerance my sister ( who is a doctor by the way) recommended to stay of products containing gluten for at least two weeks to see how my body is responding to it.
I think my doctor mentioned this test too but I ignored it when my tests came out negative.

So today I went to organic food shop in Zurich and Alnatura in Zug and my culinary future looks hopeless... This food his horrible, no color, no taste, weird bread packed in plastic bags and not too much choice.

I asked for coffee with soya milk instead of cow milk this morning in Zurich and they couldn't provide it. Strabucks has it but I don't want this place to be my only choice when I want to relax with a cuppa.

I love good food, trying new recipes and cooking but from now I need to be on very strict diet to see what is causing this reaction. I already know I have to reduce sugar to minimum as I might be also allergic to glucose/fructose as I also get sick after eating chocolate or some fruits, grapes for example.

Do you know anyone on gluten free diet who got used to it and doesn't suffer much? I was munching on gluten free crackers almost all day but I won't survive like this very long.

Are there any gluten free restaurants in Zurich?
If I go to pizzeria and I ask for pizza with gluten free flour do I have any chance to get it? I am tempted to ask but they will probably think I am crazy or see me as difficult customer. I am sure many waiters don't even know what gluten intolerance is. Are restaurants today prepared to serve clients with food intolerances/allergies or on special diets?


Where should I go shopping for gluten free products?
And finally, could someone recommend tasty/easy gluten free recipes?
I know I can eat potatoes, rice and quinoa which I love so it's a good start.

All help will be much appreciated

As a matter of fact, THE Problem is neither LACTOSE nor GLUTEN, but the body functions of people . Mum developed an allergy against oranges, but no problems with Mandarines and Clementines. In case of the problem above to develop "gluten/lactose-free" Food is tackling the donkey from the rear, the docs have to find means to solve the problem in a real way
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Re: Gluten free/lactose free diet. Will it ever get easier?

i would definately put a vote for the fodmap it helped me pick out the trigger foods some i wouldnt have realised such a mushrooms.. i dont eat gluten but there is plenty of substitutes such a gf pasta and the breads if you buy the rolls to cook they are not so bad.. but there are so many yes foods ( if of couse they are not a trigger for you)

I can eat dairy i reintroduced as per fodmap after 2 weeks there was no reaction although i do limit as there are many articles about the cows milk not being so good for us.. i eat hard cheese and for drinks will use lactofree tastes the same if you buy the one from the fridge in coop.. i dont like the taste of the uht but you could try almond milk, oat milk or soya milk as replacement too.

sugars and high fat food can be a problem with ibs.. not sure if you suffer from ibs-d or ibs-c or ibs-a but pepper mint can help or some people swear by aloe vera juice... although if you are ibs-d not recommended it could irritate further.

if you have the chance to have the coloscopny i would recommend just to rule out something which may be treatable.

also ibs stress some claim not so much a trigger but it does exasperate the symptoms further.. mine is also linked with hormones so time of the month can be a particular issue regardless of what i eat but the more stay calm about it plus there are meds you can take during the worst flare ups it does help.. ibs is a vicious circle..
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Are there any gluten free restaurants in Zurich?
If I go to pizzeria and I ask for pizza with gluten free flour do I have any chance to get it? I am tempted to ask but they will probably think I am crazy or see me as difficult customer. I am sure many waiters don't even know what gluten intolerance is. Are restaurants today prepared to serve
Linde Oberstrass has some Gluten Free dishes: http://www.linde-oberstrass.ch/media...uCard_2014.pdf

If you want pizza or pasta you should try positano. I have been there before and they definitely offer Gluten Free dishes (including Pizza).

EDIT: I'm sure there are many more Restaurants, but those are the only ones I have visited myself. Pretty sure Hiltl or Tibits offer gluten free food as well.

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Re: Gluten free/lactose free diet. Will it ever get easier?

Hi Izabela

I caught up on your topic since I've experienced different kinds of food intolerance myself. Some thougts...

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I had normal blood tests, nothing to do with eating gluten every day. Shall I ask for these tests? What exactly shall I ask for?


Corn you say. Does it mean I can have natchos?
I will look for lactose free cow's milk for sure. Thanks.

I was adviced to have colonoscopy but I didn't do it yet. I was thinking of doing it in my home country as I know brilliant gastroenterologist there so from my point of view it would be safer... and much cheaper. In Zug colonoscopy costs around 600 CHF. I don't think insurance will cover that.
-> Swiss insurance (Krankenkasse) will cover any kind of coloscopy, gastroscopy or similar, if it's indicated, from a medical point of view.

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Gastrologist I spoke to in Zug said if I decided to do screening somewhere else he might refuse to treat me but this is normal I think.
-> No, actually, its not. Any MD'll have to treat you as a patient, regardless your former medical history. However, he may not proof too much enthusiasm doing so

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Doctors want latest checkups and done by them not someone else. The problem is I don't really need colonoscopy. My results were only slightly below normal and my family doctor wasn't even sure if I need to have it done at all.

For now I would like to try with diet and maybe food enzymes to see if there is improvement.
-> I do advise you to go for a gastroscopy asap. Why? You've experienced various types of food intolerance as well as some adverse results from the typical specific tests. A possible reason for this -> You suffer from a general inflammatory situation in the gastroenteric region, in one form or the other. Blood tests may fail at uncovering the exact cause of food intolerance, while a quick visual/ biopsy check may be very informative.

Another common cause for diffuse gastric inflammation, and thus for food intolerance, is electromagnetic radiation. You may find yourself exposed to various EM fields, caused by mobile phones, WIFI, DECT, Bluetooth and the more. You may try to evade such sources of radiation at work or at your sleeping place for some time.

Good luck
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Similar advice. Don't go gluten-free without a proper blood test for Coeliac and that means getting an endoscopy (colonoscopy is the lower part, endoscopy is the upper part of the digestive tract).

Bowel cancer is it something to be messed with. I would rate it as one of the most unpleasant ways to die.... Better to get the colonoscopy done. It is not he most complex surgery and the recovery time will be very fast unless they find something serious.

Do you have a family history of bowel, stomach, or other cancer or bowel conditions???
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Another common cause for diffuse gastric inflammation, and thus for food intolerance, is electromagnetic radiation. You may find yourself exposed to various EM fields, caused by mobile phones, WIFI, DECT, Bluetooth and the more. You may try to evade such sources of radiation at work or at your sleeping place for some time.
LOL.. so the OP should make a hat out of tin foil ?... quote credible sources please

I'd recommend you get to GI specialist and get properly diagnosed... it could be Crohns, UC or any number of other issues.

Serious food intolerance, especially wheat/diary is rare...but an easy apparent 'cause' for an effect

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LOL.. so the OP should make a hat out of tin foil ?... quote credible sources please
Why should they bother with a source? The poster is Swiss. Homeopathy is also huge here and there's no credible evidence that this works either.

I'm amazed at some of the garbage Swiss people believe in.

I'm outraged that I'm paying for it as part of my health Insurance premiums.

OP: three days without gluten is not nearly long enough to see any difference but to be honest, as Sweetpea writes, if you haven't had an endoscopy then I'd stay on the gluten until you've had one done.

And, you appear to be putting yourself on some kind of food group elimination diet.
If you are then do yourself a favour and stay off the cake etc. (manufactured products with many ingredients).
You need to keep it simple so if you do experience some problems, it will be much easier to try and work out what is causing the problem.
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I thought most reputable gastroenterologists had decided "gluten sensitivity" is just a myth. Gluten intolerance, however, in the form of coeliac disease is very much a genuine disorder. Don't let yourselves be confused by the difference.
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I thought most reputable gastroenterologists had decided "gluten sensitivity" is just a myth.
Maybe so, but what happens if someone's blood test comes back negative but they get ill after eating anything containing gluten? Should they just shrug, write it off as a myth and endure several hours of unpleasant symptoms, or should they use their common sense and avoid gluten?
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