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Re: Have you taken your Iodine tablets?

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He would be the world first documented case of a true iodine allergy:
http://www.australianprescriber.com/...ne/32/5/125/8/
https://radiology.ucsf.edu/patient-c...iodine-allergy
I'll drop the Kantonsspital a note telling them their allergy testing is up-the-spout then
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Re: Have you taken your Iodine tablets?

I'd prefer it if they would distribute acid tabs. If I have to share a nuclear bunker with the laundry room dictatorix I want something to numb the experience when the red wine has run out.
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Old 18.10.2014, 10:58
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Government will send kaliumiodat pills to households

I have just received mail that the Swiss government is sending out free Kaliumiodat pills to everyone registered in Switzerland living within 50km of an atomic power plant. If this applies to you, you will get the leaflet, now, and then a package somewhen from end of November onwards. Every person will receive a package, but not necessarily all on the same day.

For more information: http://kaliumiodid.ch

There is also an older thread on these pills, but I thought a thread referring to the mailing sticks out more. Just so you know what it is when it comes. Still, for more info: The old thread:
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Old 18.10.2014, 11:09
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Re: Government will send kaliumiodat pills to households

Was this thread from yesterday not recent enough for you?

http://www.englishforum.ch/swiss-pol...e-tablets.html
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Old 18.10.2014, 11:16
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Re: Have you taken your Iodine tablets?

I know, it is super cool to doubt every single decision the government takes, but I can't see anything wrong with this one.

Of course if a core melt accident at a Swiss nuclear power plants occurs where the radioactive lava burns through the ground and hits an underground water pool, the tablets might be of no big use. Just as the safety belt and air-bags of your cars won't do much good if a tank drivers over it at a stop light. That doesn't mean that safety belts and air-bags are useless for all kind of accidents.

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Not really, looking out for meteorites is our only form of defence. With nuclear power I'd much rather put my faith in the numerous fail-safes, redundancies and exceptionally high standards demanded of Swiss engineering projects rather than a packet of pills gathering dust at the back of my medicine cabinet.
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Old 18.10.2014, 11:49
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I'd prefer it if they would distribute acid tabs. If I have to share a nuclear bunker with the laundry room dictatorix I want something to numb the experience when the red wine has run out.
I'm not sure if you've ever taken acid (and I would never assume a Basler hadn't...), but it's going to do anything but numb that particular experience. Think "paranoid claustrophobic trapped in a coffin" for one of the journeys you'll be taking.

I suppose if you want to run through the panoply of 70s drugs, Quaaludes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methaqualone) would fit the bill here. (Cultural reference: take with red wine (David Bowie - Time)).
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I have just received mail that the Swiss government is sending out free Kaliumiodat pills to everyone registered in Switzerland living within 50km of an atomic power plant. If this applies to you, you will get the leaflet, now, and then a package somewhen from end of November onwards. Every person will receive a package, but not necessarily all on the same day.

For more information: http://kaliumiodid.ch

There is also an older thread on these pills, but I thought a thread referring to the mailing sticks out more. Just so you know what it is when it comes. Still, for more info: The old thread:
Potassium Iodate / Kaliumiodat
You're getting yours delivered late then. Ours will be here between end of October and beginning December according to the notice I received yesterday. Still have our previous packs upstairs in the bathroom ready for use.
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Old 18.10.2014, 21:36
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You're getting yours delivered late then. Ours will be here between end of October and beginning December according to the notice I received yesterday. Still have our previous packs upstairs in the bathroom ready for use.
Are they going to replace all the ones that we already have? Seems like a bit if a waste to me. They replaced ours last year even though they were still in date so I would be seriously unimpressed if the issued us with yet another lot.
I read the notices in the local paper but can't remember the details as we already have them so I didn't pay much attention.
We are more than 20km from Muhlenburg which is the one nearest to us but I think our commune ( or canton) are just extra cautious.
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Re: Have you taken your Iodine tablets?

If you don't get an official notice in the mailbox then probably they won't.
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Old 19.10.2014, 15:13
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Take them and store them.
When Fukushima happened, they sold for 300$+ a packet on ebay.
I just checked our box. Expiration date 10/2014. Does that mean I'd have to discount to $150?
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Old 19.10.2014, 15:59
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What a bizarre post.

You find it hilarious that a government seeks to protect the health of it's citizens in the event of a nuclear incident?

Iodine tablets are widely accepted as an effective measure against low to medium level radiation. The timing of the dose is important. Hence the instructions make perfect sense.

The tablets have a shelf life of 10 years, hence the regular replacements. This has absolutely nothing to do with Fukushima. (although the residents of the areas surrounding Fukusima could have protected themselves if tablets had been available - they were stored centrally and never distributed to residents, although doctors, nurses and emergency personnel did take them. The Swiss system of local distribution makes far more sense.)
Waste of money. Outside of the plant nobody died due to Fukusima disaster including those stubborn people who refused evacuation and that was a multiple reactor incident whereas here they are single reactor plants.
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Old 20.10.2014, 11:45
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Waste of money. Outside of the plant nobody died due to Fukusima disaster including those stubborn people who refused evacuation and that was a multiple reactor incident whereas here they are single reactor plants.

I'm not sure you understand the purpose of the iodine tablets.

In simple terms:

The thyroid gland is very sensitive to radioactive iodine, especially in children.

Taking the tablets will flood the thyroid with iodine, thus preventing the take-up of the radioactive iodine which can cause cancer and other medical conditions.

It can take years for thyroid cancer to develop - hence the lack of dead people around Fukushima.
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Re: Have you taken your Iodine tablets?

Mix 'em with hydrogen peroxide.
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Old 20.10.2014, 13:07
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I'm not sure you understand the purpose of the iodine tablets.

In simple terms:

The thyroid gland is very sensitive to radioactive iodine, especially in children.

Taking the tablets will flood the thyroid with iodine, thus preventing the take-up of the radioactive iodine which can cause cancer and other medical conditions.

It can take years for thyroid cancer to develop - hence the lack of dead people around Fukushima.
About "It can take years for thyroid cancer to develop - hence the lack of dead people around Fukushima"

Must be very many years looking at the lack of dead people around Chernobyl.

Anyway I don't think this a waste of money because the tablets do not work but because the possibility of an accident is so remote. More people die every year due to lightning strikes than were ever killed due to accidents during the whole history of nuclear plants.
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Must be very many years looking at the lack of dead people around Chernobyl.

Anyway I don't think this a waste of money because the tablets do not work but because the possibility of an accident is so remote. More people die every year due to lightning strikes than were ever killed due to accidents during the whole history of nuclear plants.
Errr... I'm not sure if you're aware, but the rate of genetically XY girls in the north is increasing. These are women with the genetics of a man having their Y-chromosomes suppressed due to various weird reasons.

There is no real way to determine how radiation is affecting the people post-Chernobyl, but even Finland has had some weird changes in demographics and changes in dental health. There is a town in northern Iran with very high background radiation and it indeed seems to affect those living there.

And I would challenge your assertion that more people die per year from lightening strike than to all combined deaths due to nuclear plant. Quite a lot of pensioners volunteered to work in Fukushima in the clean up effort and received very high doses of radiation. These may be very well marked as natural causes, but I'm pretty sure the radiation sped up their demise.

Number of lighting strike deaths per year? Looks like around ~48 per year in the US alone. Extrapolating that worldwide to around 1100 per year worldwide.

Number of fatalities from Chernoble alone were 4000.
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Anyway I don't think this a waste of money because the tablets do not work but because the possibility of an accident is so remote. More people die every year due to lightning strikes than were ever killed due to accidents during the whole history of nuclear plants.
And the amount of radiation released into the environment by coal mining far exceeds that released by the nuclear industry. (Source - http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...nuclear-waste/ )

By the by, if you're worried about radiation - stop smoking. One of the main carcinogens of tobacco is polonium-210.

Number of fatalities due to Banqiao Hydroelectric Dam failure - ~171'000 people.
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Old 20.10.2014, 13:52
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Errr... I'm not sure if you're aware, but the rate of genetically XY girls in the north is increasing. These are women with the genetics of a man having their Y-chromosomes suppressed due to various weird reasons.

There is no real way to determine how radiation is affecting the people post-Chernobyl, but even Finland has had some weird changes in demographics and changes in dental health. There is a town in northern Iran with very high background radiation and it indeed seems to affect those living there.

And I would challenge your assertion that more people die per year from lightening strike than to all combined deaths due to nuclear plant. Quite a lot of pensioners volunteered to work in Fukushima in the clean up effort and received very high doses of radiation. These may be very well marked as natural causes, but I'm pretty sure the radiation sped up their demise.

Number of lighting strike deaths per year? Looks like around ~48 per year in the US alone. Extrapolating that worldwide to around 1100 per year worldwide.

Number of fatalities from Chernoble alone were 4000.
There were 64 confirmed deaths at Chernobyl. Everything else is speculation with no factual basis.
According to the WHO report as of mid-2005, fewer than 50 deaths had been directly attributed to radiation from the disaster (average less than one per year), 9 children in the area died of thyroid cancer out of 4,000 cases - full report here.

I suppose you have read the articles about wild life in the area around Chernobyl? No mutated or monstrous animals or plants but many more healthy animals and plants than before the accident.
Radiation effects would show up sooner around the nuclear plant than in Finland? Anyway the radioactive cloud from Chernobyl crossed a lot of countries before Finland?
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Errr... I'm not sure if you're aware, but the rate of genetically XY girls in the north is increasing. These are women with the genetics of a man having their Y-chromosomes suppressed due to various weird reasons.
Is that the excuse they're peddling now for all those successful Soviet era "female" hammer throwers and weight lifters??
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There were 64 confirmed deaths at Chernobyl. Everything else is speculation with no factual basis.
According to the WHO report as of mid-2005, fewer than 50 deaths had been directly attributed to radiation from the disaster (average less than one per year), 9 children in the area died of thyroid cancer out of 4,000 cases - full report here.

I suppose you have read the articles about wild life in the area around Chernobyl? No mutated or monstrous animals or plants but many more healthy animals and plants than before the accident.
Radiation effects would show up sooner around the nuclear plant than in Finland? Anyway the radioactive cloud from Chernobyl crossed a lot of countries before Finland?
Having visited Chernobyl and Pripyat in 2013, I can tell you less than 100 deaths statistically proven and recorded but I reckon the rate was far higher.

The Soviet Union bused in troops from all over the empire and these people conveniently disappeared from records. All swept under the carpet.

Saying all this there is no proven maximum dose that will kill and after Chernobyl there was a lot of talk about the absolute limits a human body can take before liquidising itself. The international levels are probably set far too low. I guess I wouldn't want to find out.

Thank you to the "liquidators" at Chernobyl who cleaned this mess up, forgotten heroes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquidator_(Chernobyl))

Vyacheslav Grishin of the Chernobyl Union, the main organization of liquidators. He said about 600,000 liquidators sent from Ukraine, Russia and Belarus, "25,000 died and 70,000 remained disabled in Russia, Ukraine, the numbers are close and Belarus 10,000 died and 25,000 disabled" .

64?! Yeah sounds like the KGB was writing the report.

Oh and the areas around the plant yes are full of bouncy bunnies and wildlife, but you wouldn't want to risk leaving the safe areas the radiation today is still extremely high.

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Having visited Chernobyl and Pripyat in 2013, I can tell you less than 100 deaths statistically proven and recorded but I reckon the rate was far higher.

The Soviet Union bused in troops from all over the empire and these people conveniently disappeared from records. All swept under the carpet.

Saying all this there is no proven maximum dose that will kill and after Chernobyl there was a lot of talk about the absolute limits a human body can take before liquidising itself. The international levels are probably set far too low. I guess I wouldn't want to find out.

Thank you to the "liquidators" at Chernobyl who cleaned this mess up, forgotten heroes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquidator_(Chernobyl))

Vyacheslav Grishin of the Chernobyl Union, the main organization of liquidators. He said about 600,000 liquidators sent from Ukraine, Russia and Belarus, "25,000 died and 70,000 remained disabled in Russia, Ukraine, the numbers are close and Belarus 10,000 died and 25,000 disabled" .

64?! Yeah sounds like the KGB was writing the report.

Oh and the areas around the plant yes are full of bouncy bunnies and wildlife, but you wouldn't want to risk leaving the safe areas the radiation today is still extremely high.
About "Having visited Chernobyl and Pripyat in 2013, I can tell you less than 100 deaths statistically proven and recorded but I reckon the rate was far higher."
Interesting; what exactly do you base your views on?

From your link "Rahu et al. (2006) [10] studied some 10,000 liquidators from Latvia and Estonia and found no significant increase in overall cancer rate"
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