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Been trying to find an answer to a question I have, perhaps someone here might know the answer...
I am hypersensitive to iodine. Are there any alternatives?
Do I just have to take my chances of surviving the nuclear accident if and when it happens?
Easiest way would be to join Greenpeace. Or just use less electricity.

If there's a nuclear meltdown, your hypersensitivity won't be your #1 issue. Trying to open the pack of pills with your hands melting with your hair on fire whilst going blind is something you could try simulating using everyday household objects to give you some idea of practical survival multitasking.
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Old 24.11.2014, 22:49
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So in other words it's a complete waste of time and people take the medicine regardless of the listed side effects. Well, that's useful.
At least its nicely and easily laid out

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Been trying to find an answer to a question I have, perhaps someone here might know the answer...
I am hypersensitive to iodine. Are there any alternatives?
Do I just have to take my chances of surviving the nuclear accident if and when it happens?
Iodine hypersensitivity, just like monosodium glutamate hypersensitivity, is a very questionable matter in that properly designed double-blind placebo-controlled (DBPC) tests haven't yet shown a single verifiable case. It looks like those people are hypersensitive to other components of their food, medicaments or whatever. However, iodine hypersensitivity is a widely spread misconception, even among doctors.

That's only one aspect, though. Iodine is not the same as potassium iodide, as used in those tablets. The tablets do contain quite a bit of iodine, but in a chemical compound that is treated by the organism in a totally different manner.

Let me explain this using another example that is easier to understand. Clorine is a gas, poisonous enough to have been used for chemical warfare in WWI, causing several hundred thousand deaths. About 7 mg of pure chlorine inhaled can kill you within minutes. However, you can easily eat several grams of it per day, all life long, not in the form of pure gaseous chlorine but as sodium chloride, also known as table salt. Actually, for mere survival you need several hundred times the lethal amount of chlorine in its chloride form -- per day!

Although in the case of iodine, the problem isn't toxicity but an alleged hypersensitivity, the principle remains the same: Iodine and potassium iodide go different ways in the organism.

This doesn't mean potassium iodide cannot cause problem. It sure can, but in the (very unlikely) case of a major nuclear incident acne, salivary gland inflammation, tummy ache and low thyroid hormone levels probably will be the least of your problems.
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Old 25.11.2014, 08:29
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Been trying to find an answer to a question I have, perhaps someone here might know the answer...
I am hypersensitive to iodine. Are there any alternatives?
Do I just have to take my chances of surviving the nuclear accident if and when it happens?
Just do this...

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I confess I haven't read the whole thread...but whom should we contact since we never got new tablets? I checked ours and they are now expired, and we live within the specified radius, so...why no new ones? Is it because they know I'm American??
Yup, it's because your an American. We just got ours, well, my Swiss wife and my two Swiss children received theirs but nothing for me because I'm an American. Even though I have a Swiss pass.
It must of been in the fine print somewhere from the masseneinwanderungs initiative.

Actually I really am quite confused about this. The racism and anti foreigner sentiment is systematic on an official level here.

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Old 26.11.2014, 13:24
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Re: Have you taken your Iodine tablets?

Aww, CD. You can have our old tablets just in case hijacking Adrian doesn't work out.

Ours finally came today. Two little nondescript boxes with no information as to what they were on the outside of the box. One addressed to me and one to the OH. Sender: Armeeapotheke. Nice to know the Swiss Army is looking out for us.
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Aww, CD. You can have our old tablets just in case hijacking Adrian doesn't work out.

Ours finally came today. Two little nondescript boxes with no information as to what they were on the outside of the box. One addressed to me and one to the OH. Sender: Armeeapotheke. Nice to know the Swiss Army is looking out for us.
But is an expired placebo as effective as a fresh placebo? Looks like Hijacking Adrian's heli is my only option. Of course I'm sure he will say "A$$, grass or cash no one rides for free" Sorry Adrian but I don't swing that way. The cash/grass can be arranged. Marijuana is good for radiation too you know. But if you must, desperate times call for desperate measures, make sure to use extra lube and promise to cuddle me afterwards.
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bum a free ride on Adrian's heli.
Be careful with the ambiguity in your phrasing.
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Re: Have you taken your Iodine tablets?

I was very surprised when I received the iodine tablets the other day. Never really knew that Switzerland had nuclear power stations, I always assumed they generated enough electricity through hydro power. So this is new to me, but it's a very nice initiative from the govt. to provide these tablets.
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Old 26.11.2014, 21:50
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Iodine hypersensitivity, just like monosodium glutamate hypersensitivity, is a very questionable matter in that properly designed double-blind placebo-controlled (DBPC) tests haven't yet shown a single verifiable case. It looks like those people are hypersensitive to other components of their food, medicaments or whatever. However, iodine hypersensitivity is a widely spread misconception, even among doctors.

That's only one aspect, though. Iodine is not the same as potassium iodide, as used in those tablets. The tablets do contain quite a bit of iodine, but in a chemical compound that is treated by the organism in a totally different manner.

Let me explain this using another example that is easier to understand. Clorine is a gas, poisonous enough to have been used for chemical warfare in WWI, causing several hundred thousand deaths. About 7 mg of pure chlorine inhaled can kill you within minutes. However, you can easily eat several grams of it per day, all life long, not in the form of pure gaseous chlorine but as sodium chloride, also known as table salt. Actually, for mere survival you need several hundred times the lethal amount of chlorine in its chloride form -- per day!

Although in the case of iodine, the problem isn't toxicity but an alleged hypersensitivity, the principle remains the same: Iodine and potassium iodide go different ways in the organism.

This doesn't mean potassium iodide cannot cause problem. It sure can, but in the (very unlikely) case of a major nuclear incident acne, salivary gland inflammation, tummy ache and low thyroid hormone levels probably will be the least of your problems.
About "sodium chloride, also known as table salt." Of course, sodium is also very nasty stuff but not when consumed as table salt. Sadly many "green" organisations use such chemical terms to drive their own agendas.
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About "sodium chloride, also known as table salt." Of course, sodium is also very nasty stuff but not when consumed as table salt. Sadly many "green" organisations use such chemical terms to drive their own agendas.
Yeah I know. I have patients that refuse to use any fluoride products because fluorine is a dangerous poison. I tell them that chlorine is about as poisonous, and sodium is a metal that explodes when wet, yet they have to eat a compound of that explosive and that dangerous gas in order not to drop dead, because that compound is called table salt. Doesn't always help, though. Greetings from dihydrogen monoxide.

Fearmongering using certain terms without specifying the details always is very easy and efficient. I remember the emails I got from the USA about three months after the Fukushima meltdown: Authorities had found radioactive caesium from Fukushima in cow milk in Washington state. Shock, horror! Let's shun all dairy products!

Based on the figures mentioned in the US media (picocurie / becquerel) I did a few calculations and then had to tell my alarmed friends that, if a more or less healthy person with an average weight drank 4.5 million gallons of that milk PER DAY for at least 50 years, their risk of dying from radioactivity would increase by about 2%, and that in a country where regional differences of the propability of dying from cancer are in the range of many 100%, in some areas +1000% and more.

Guess how long you'd survive on 4.5 million gallons of caesium-free milk per day. You'd go pop in a tiny fraction of a second.

PS: Our high school chemistry teacher related the following joke:

Q: How much phosphorus is there in phosgene?
A: As much as there is urine in uranium.
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Easiest way would be to join Greenpeace. Or just use less electricity.

If there's a nuclear meltdown, your hypersensitivity won't be your #1 issue. Trying to open the pack of pills with your hands melting with your hair on fire whilst going blind is something you could try simulating using everyday household objects to give you some idea of practical survival multitasking.
About "If there's a nuclear meltdown"... Theoretically there should not be a radiation leak.

In the case of the Chernobyl accident in 1986 it was the result of a flawed reactor design that was operated with inadequately trained personnel.
The operators disabled the automatic shut-down mechanisms for the turbine tests and they did not follow best practices when things went wrong.
Poor design was due to the cold war that prevented free exchange of technology.
Former President Gorbachev said that the Chernobyl accident was a more important factor in the fall of the Soviet Union than Perestroika – his program of liberal reform.

The Fukushima nuclear disaster was the result of a whole series of linked issues. But the key one was the tsunami water quickly flooded the low-lying rooms in which the emergency generators were housed; if the generators for the emergency cooling system and their tanks were on the roof then possibly the disaster could have been averted.

If you have a nuclear meltdown then the key thing is to keep it in the containment chamber; if it escapes through the floor then it could contaminate the ground water but that takes a long time before it reaches our taps.

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Yeah I know. I have patients that refuse to use any fluoride products because fluorine is a dangerous poison. I tell them that chlorine is about as poisonous, and sodium is a metal that explodes when wet, yet they have to eat a compound of that explosive and that dangerous gas in order not to drop dead, because that compound is called table salt. Doesn't always help, though. Greetings from dihydrogen monoxide.

Fearmongering using certain terms without specifying the details always is very easy and efficient. I remember the emails I got from the USA about three months after the Fukushima meltdown: Authorities had found radioactive caesium from Fukushima in cow milk in Washington state. Shock, horror! Let's shun all dairy products!

Based on the figures mentioned in the US media (picocurie / becquerel) I did a few calculations and then had to tell my alarmed friends that, if a more or less healthy person with an average weight drank 4.5 million gallons of that milk PER DAY for at least 50 years, their risk of dying from radioactivity would increase by about 2%, and that in a country where regional differences of the propability of dying from cancer are in the range of many 100%, in some areas +1000% and more.

Guess how long you'd survive on 4.5 million gallons of caesium-free milk per day. You'd go pop in a tiny fraction of a second.

PS: Our high school chemistry teacher related the following joke:

Q: How much phosphorus is there in phosgene?
A: As much as there is urine in uranium.
About "Greetings from dihydrogen monoxide." Never touch the stuff; fish do their business in this, have sex in this; terrible stuff

p.s. Your US friends should do the calculations on the radioactive emissions of coal fired power stations, never mind the other pollutants (I do not regard carbon dioxide as a pollutant )

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Old 27.11.2014, 01:11
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Yeah I know. I have patients that refuse to use any fluoride products because fluorine is a dangerous poison. I tell them that chlorine is about as poisonous, and sodium is a metal that explodes when wet, yet they have to eat a compound of that explosive and that dangerous gas in order not to drop dead, because that compound is called table salt. Doesn't always help, though. Greetings from dihydrogen monoxide.
This is all somewhat analogous to the current hysteria over "carbon emissions" and the mortal risks prevented by "carbon". Good luck existing without carbon in your system! Inorganic life forms, anyone?
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Re: Have you taken your Iodine tablets?

Ooooooh! So that's what those tablets are for. Was a little paranoid when I got 4 boxes in the post (for the missus and the kids)....thought the Swiss were becoming a little bit desperate to rid themselves of foreigners :-)
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Yeah, we received ours two days ago. You may joke about them but '86 wasn't a fun year for many people.
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My tablets arrived today! I'm saved!!!

The OH is stuffed though, none for him. Mwuhahahahaha....

Ahem.

Anyway, I was impressed by the array of languages on the instruction leaflet, maybe they don't want us Auslanders to die after all.
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Re: Have you taken your Iodine tablets?

Got mine today. Yummy yummy. What a load of complete bollocks.
I simply do not know what is behind this crap.
Anyway where are the tabs for my 2 dogs? They are much more important than my neighbours. yeah on both sides as it happens....
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Are they going to replace all the ones that we already have? Seems like a bit if a waste to me. They replaced ours last year even though they were still in date so I would be seriously unimpressed if the issued us with yet another lot.
I read the notices in the local paper but can't remember the details as we already have them so I didn't pay much attention.
We are more than 20km from Muhlenburg which is the one nearest to us but I think our commune ( or canton) are just extra cautious.
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If you don't get an official notice in the mailbox then probably they won't.
Well we didn't get any official notice at all ( just the general announcement in the local paper) but we still got 3 new boxes of tablets in the mailbox today so now we have 6 boxes of them.
No discrimination against the foreigners here, we all got them even me who only has a B permit.

The old (red) ones are still good until 2019 according to the box and the new ( purple) ones have until 2024 so I think we'll just keep them all in case we have visitors when the alarm goes off.

The whole operation must have been quite profitable for the Swedish company who manufactures them. Maybe they started a scaremongering rumour which led to the increased radius as a kind of revenge for the Gripen vote.
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Anyway where are the tabs for my 2 dogs?
Does anyone actually know if these tablets can/should be administered to pets?

Just a reminder that if you had unused tablets which have expired, do not put them in the trash bin /waste bin or flush them down the toilet.

As with all expired meds, take them to the pharmacy.
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Does anyone actually know if these tablets can/should be administered to pets?
Here's an article that seems to suggest no:
http://www.askavetquestion.com/news/...tion_for_pets/

Either way, I'd be very careful administering a medication that is manufactured for a human body size/composition to an animal.
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