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equal lights, equal attention

but besides that, its just plain annoying this added visual noise
Sorry I missed the only fair point in your comment.

Let's fit some car lights into bicycles. Maybe also same type of brakes. And same structure. And same amount of wheels.

equal lights, equal attention
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didn't you know that burqas were invented to increase bicycle safety in arabic countries?
It makes sense... wait a minute!

burqas user should be forced to wear the same type of lights than car since they distract poor drivers attention! They should have burqas fitted with full lights when walking along the roads

equal lights, equal attention!!
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Re: police checking on bicycle lights

I spent 20 minutes figuring out how to post this bicycle video from youtube.

The moral of the story if that one the darkness comes and the freaks come out, no bicycle light will keep you safe




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNGSnLZrLYg
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Old 20.10.2014, 11:21
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Ridiculous!
The "asshole" has just blinking lights to avoid asshole drivers from hitting them which means: hurting them badly, making them disable or killing them.

You are right it should not be survival of the fittest, if you are not able to drive and pay attention to anything happening on the road, you should be immediately banned.

And your failed justification is pathetic, how some "blinking lights" attracts more the attention than: reverse lights from other drivers, stop lights, flashing orange lights, animals crossing, aliens flying by over your head, etc...???

In fact it's more simple, you can't get your eyes out of some flashing lights? Do all other road users a favour: stop driving.
lol you must be one of those 8 year old wannabes with flashing lights. so pretty!

strangely ive never seen a car with flashing lights. i guess no one has ever thought of that right? more noticeable so much safer for everyone. oh wait some cars do have flashing lights. they also make a lot of noise. they sort of need to stand out because they are usually on their way to someone with a heart attack or so...

like i said before. you notice the flashing and then you need to divert the attention back to other things that might be more immediate. this sort of stuff you dont control, it happens on retina level or at least very early in the visual pathway (dont make me go into the literature).

tonight i will risk my life again without blinking lights. for the greater good. because i could press that button one more time and be supersafe at the cost of others safety.
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Old 20.10.2014, 11:39
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lol you must be one of those 8 year old wannabes with flashing lights. so pretty!

strangely ive never seen a car with flashing lights. i guess no one has ever thought of that right? more noticeable so much safer for everyone. oh wait some cars do have flashing lights. they also make a lot of noise. they sort of need to stand out because they are usually on their way to someone with a heart attack or so...

like i said before. you notice the flashing and then you need to divert the attention back to other things that might be more immediate. this sort of stuff you dont control, it happens on retina level or at least very early in the visual pathway (dont make me go into the literature).

tonight i will risk my life again without blinking lights. for the greater good. because i could press that button one more time and be supersafe at the cost of others safety.
No I'm a car driver and I don't have any "bicycle flashy lights". But unlike you, I'm able not to lose focus and attention when I see some pretty bicycle flashy lights.
My only though when I see those wannabes cyclists with pretty bicycle flashy lights is that I see them, I know their position, and I'm careful to take that new variable into my "driving context". I'm still watching out for any other normal possible event (animal, cars, person crossing, signs, road holes, etc...).

So unlike you again, i'm not having problems with my driving skills and sharing the road with other users.


PS: Funny last time I remember those type of mockery attempts on the age was... at school when I was around 08 to 14-15 year old! You sure i'm the 8 year old one?
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strangely ive never seen a car with flashing lights. i guess no one has ever thought of that right? more noticeable so much safer for everyone. oh wait some cars do have flashing lights. they also make a lot of noise. they sort of need to stand out because they are usually on their way to someone with a heart attack or so...
Ha-
Are you comparing "Car lights" vs "bicycle lights"?
Maybe someone should introduce you with size, lumen, focus, position, etc...

PS: we're not talking about being more noticeable or not, we're debating if a flashing colorful bicycle light is preventing you from focusing on the road or not.
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Old 20.10.2014, 11:55
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Re: police checking on bicycle lights

Your eyes don't move in a smooth motion, but in a series of small jumps "saccades" and your brain fills in the gaps by extrapolating from what it sees at each "pause" to give the illusion of smooth vision.

Movement attracts attention so your eye focusses on the things in your field of vision that are changing. Unfortunately the relative speeds of cars and bicycles means that a bike is effectively stationary from a driver's point of view.

Bicycles are also small enough to be hidden in a driver's saccade, i.e. it is physically possible to just not see a bike, even if the rider is brightly dressed and the bike is well-lit. The flashing lights mimic movement so your eye pauses briefly to look, and your brain processes the presence of the bike.

If you find small flashing lights sufficiently distracting that you feel your attention is dangerously distracted from the road then you are normally dangerously inattentive to other road users and need to recalibrate your road sense.

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Old 20.10.2014, 12:04
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Re: police checking on bicycle lights

Good answer above - #27 ..... and that's before we start getting into rods and cones.

Cars don't have or need flashing lights because their light footprint is considerably greater - field and intensity.

...... and possibly, one of the reasons that cycle LED front lights are bright, is that just maybe the cyclist actually wants to see the road, and any hazards, as well as just be seen by others.

People also develop 'rabbit' syndrome - if they are dazzled by a bright light, they just stare at it even more ..... stupid but true.

When I encounter someone with badly adjusted lights (many) or full beam, I immediately look to the White line and/or kerb on RHS.
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Old 20.10.2014, 12:18
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Re: police checking on bicycle lights

I find that flashing lights make it more difficult to determine the distance and speed of the cyclist. However, because of this, I slow down... so maybe that's the idea behind them.
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Old 20.10.2014, 12:27
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Re: police checking on bicycle lights

lucy_who youre stating that flashing draws attention and i can only agree. but that is just it: they draw too much attention and so take it away from other things. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inattentional_blindness

i tend to (purposefully) underestimate my abilities in order to stay safe. all i know is that i dont know. if you think you are impervious to all the flaws in your senses you are the one that is unsafe.

putting on flashing lights is like cutting ahead in line. doesnt matter to the people in front of you, great for you and shitty for everyone behind you.

why not put a siren on a bike while youre at it? we can even notice you around the corner or from behind. it would be annoying and taking away "value" from sirens when they are really needed.
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Old 20.10.2014, 12:40
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Re: police checking on bicycle lights

I think there is merit to the point that some bikers attach ridiculously bright LED lights to their bikes. The light is not as powerful as car headlamps, but on the other hand those are pointed downwards at the road, whereas the cyclist lights are more or less pointed (although not focused) straight.

Whether flashing or not, a very sharp LED light can easily cause your pupils to contract and thus dim every other object in your view. In case the rest of the environment is fairly dark, it can even cause some discomfort and make the driver divert their eyes for a moment.
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Re: police checking on bicycle lights

Im surprised that flashing lights is such an issue.

Personally, I find, when I'm driving, that I notice them quicker, than fixed lights, and it doesn't disturb me in any way.

I think they come into their own, in partially lit, built up areas, where there's sufficient artificial lighting to make steady, non- high-powered bike lights difficult to see - and it's still not light enough to see the cyclist clearly.

Anyway, for me, the best scenario is to have fixed, bright lights on the bike and small flashers attached to the riders person, higher up.
My cycle helmet has a small red flasher on the back in the size adjuster knob.

What is amazing, is that a set of bike lights - with batteries - can be bought for 10 chufs and attached in seconds, and riders still can't be arsed, if they haven't bought a city bike with per-fixed lighting.

As for parents, letting their children ride in the dark without lights, I find unforgivably appalling.
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until what time what you actually need to use the lights?
today it was definitely light at 8 but probably ok already at 7:30/7:45.
Daylight changing daily at the mo- and clocks going back next week-end. So there is no official time, that would be silly. If it is getting dark and when dark- USE YOUR LIGHTs- whatever the time is.
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Bicycles are also small enough to be hidden in a driver's saccade, i.e. it is physically possible to just not see a bike, even if the rider is brightly dressed and the bike is well-lit. The flashing lights mimic movement so your eye pauses briefly to look, and your brain processes the presence of the bike.
i cannot find anything on this. youre generally blind during a saccade not only on a small spot. that would be the blind spot where the optic nerve leaves the eye.
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i cannot find anything on this. youre generally blind during a saccade not only on a small spot. that would be the blind spot where the optic nerve leaves the eye.
Lol!
Now drivers are "generally blind" when confronting a cyclist with flashing lights...
It's true, cyclists are a plague and they cause 1 billion accident due to their flashing lights which blinded the poor drivers.

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Im surprised that flashing lights is such an issue.
Don't be- Flashing lights are just an excuse to discriminate cyclists as usual.

Tomorrow it will be about:
-How cyclist fashion faux-pas has distracted the poor driver
-How cyclists are blocking the roads
-How the bicycle was too close from the middle lane and the driver had no choice but to kick it away
-How the drivers are mentally distressed because of bicycles and that cyclists should pay them compensation
- *add here any shitty excuse to blame cyclists for your own shortcomings*
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Lol!
Now drivers are "generally blind" when confronting a cyclist with flashing lights...
It's true, cyclists are a plague and they cause 1 billion accident due to their flashing lights which blinded the poor drivers.

no youre blind during a saccade. period. not just on a selective spot (as far as i know). regardless whether youre driving a car, sitting on a beach or posting funny pictures on EF.
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no youre blind during a saccade. period. not just on a selective spot (as far as i know). regardless whether youre driving a car, sitting on a beach or posting funny pictures on EF.
Here you go, your problem is sorted:

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Re: police checking on bicycle lights

How on earth do you cope with an approaching emergency vehicle - what with its flashing lights AND loud noise??



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How on earth do you cope with an approaching emergency vehicle - what with its flashing lights AND loud noise??
Emergency vehicles with blues and twos are comparatively rare. Cyclists after dark are quite common.

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Don't be- Flashing lights are just an excuse to discriminate cyclists as usual.
All I care about, as a car driver, is that cyclists visible, because I recognise they have a right to share the road, are vulnerable, I don't hate them, and don't want to kill or injure them.

Flashing lights are definitely more noticeable, the important question is whether that added noticability makes the cyclists more or less safe from other road users. The combination approach of some flashing lights and some steady makes sense to me.

I'd rather have a discotheque than no lights at all.
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