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Many many (attractive) western women are struggling in Singapore and outside of the western world. There are Asian women from developing countries and there are Asian women from developed countries. However Asian déférence to autorité, filial piety, hard work, deferring enjoyment to the future, the focus on harmony and society means that Asians appear (I emphasize) appear more deferent. Hence why Asian women are seen so much more often with western women than the other way around. You're right Jenzza Caucasian men are more assertive (a trait seen by some as more masculine) hence again why western men are perceived by many (not all) as more attractive. Guys this is just reality.

Oh and PS western women leaving Singapore due to the limited dating scene has become such an issue where I work that management has asked/encouraged many western men to consider dating female employees at the company I work at.

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Many many (attractive) western women are struggling in Singapore and outside of the western world. .
Outside of Western world where? I'm sure there are many other places where they don't encounter any problems with being accepted...in fact even the idea of a Western woman not being accepted is a whole new concept to me. It seems you met some very traditional Asian families and you draw your conclusions based on that.
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Old 06.11.2014, 19:33
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Well " OfficeGirl" I think you should maybe upload your photo to EF and then we can make an objective assessment as to what your chances are.You know-the "Hot or Not" thing
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Lol. This is getting funnier and funnier.
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Yeah you know what - I am going to post a photo of myself since you guys can't see reality. I need to see if I can work out how. And by the way when I say western women, I mean just that western women other than me. But I'm fine with you using me as a sample. Please make sure you laugh very hard Tannie.
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Trust me. I am. So are my colleagues and friends who are sat here enjoying some gin and tonics with me.
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Yeah you know what - I am going to post a photo of myself since you guys can't see reality. I need to see if I can work out how. And by the way when I say western women, I mean just that western women other than me. But I'm fine with you using me as a sample. Please make sure you laugh very hard Tannie.
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I think my photo is showing on my profile now if you click on it but having trouble uploading to the forum. Can someone tell me if they can see me? I should be wearing a white dress!
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Oh wow! I can see you loud and clear. Please put me on the waiting list
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I think my photo is showing on my profile now if you click on it but having trouble uploading to the forum. Can someone tell me if they can see me? I should be wearing a white dress!

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I think my photo is showing on my profile now if you click on it but having trouble uploading to the forum. Can someone tell me if they can see me? I should be wearing a white dress!
At the risk of you groaning at me again, I will state categorically that in your case, online dating would certainly be a waste of time.
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Re: London vs Zurich

Credit where is due. You aren't ugly. Like I said, just unlucky. Most of the white professional and drop dead gorgeous women I know in Singapore are happily dating and are in lovely relationships with white men there. As we all know, looks aren't everything as well

I am sure you are a nice person when it comes to it but still find it a shame that you have singled out and blamed others for lack of luck. All the best
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Credit where is due. You aren't ugly. Like I said, just unlucky. Most of the white professional and drop dead gorgeous women I know in Singapore are happily dating and are in lovely relationships with white men there. As we all know, looks aren't everything as well

I am sure you are a nice person when it comes to it but still find it a shame that you have singled out and blamed others for lack of luck. All the best
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Oh and PS western women leaving Singapore due to the limited dating scene has become such an issue where I work that management has asked/encouraged many western men to consider dating female employees at the company I work at.
That is drastic, as a) it breaks one of the golden rules of dating: "don't get your honey where you get your money" and b) would be rather fascinating how it would be incorporated into a performance review.
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That is drastic, as a) it breaks one of the golden rules of dating: "don't get your honey where you get your money" and b) would be rather fascinating how it would be incorporated into a performance review.
could give "performance review" a whole new meaning
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I think my photo is showing on my profile now if you click on it but having trouble uploading to the forum. Can someone tell me if they can see me? I should be wearing a white dress!
You're very sweet. Frankly I think you've been terribly unlucky, perhaps a move to Europe it's the best thing you can do now. I would chose a bigger and more vibrant city than Zürich though.

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Re: London vs Zurich

London is probably alot different now as it was in 2008. With all this terrorist thing etc etc. At least Switzerland is relatively untouched by this. But Switzerland has alot of internal problems.
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So I was in London from 2004 to 2008 and then moved out of London and moved to Singapore in 2010. I worked in Holborn and lived in Hammersmith and Fulham when I was in London. I was in a relationship at the time so not familiar with the London singles scene. I'm not into heavy drinking but love Brits for their awesome sense of humor but then I do find Swiss men to be sincere and friendly when you get to know them; it's just that Swiss men don't approach women. As I said I'm rather tempted by Zurich but am worried about the lack of social/dating life (what is online dating like in Switzerland?) and my lack of German/Swiss German...
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Oh and PS western women leaving Singapore due to the limited dating scene has become such an issue where I work that management has asked/encouraged many western men to consider dating female employees at the company I work at.
Did not realise western people were so terrible at hooking up on their own, that they need help from their employer! I am now curious as to where you work; I don't think I have seen that kind of social engineering in the workplace before!
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Re: London vs Zurich

I'm a western guy who's married to an awesome Singaporean girl who certainly doesnt match alot of the sweeping generalisations that have been made here about asians / chinese/ singaporeans lol.........

Firstly I've noticed that most Singaporeans are happy marrying other Singaporeans, and both male and female are not that interested in going after foreigners. Others are open to anybody who they fall in love with! However, there is a pretty small segment of Singaporean girls who seem to be actively interested in western men- perhaps for their perceived wealth, ex-colonial status etc etc, and will pursue (rich foreign) guys actively: but that's certainly not the majority! This might seem a much bigger segment of society if all you do is hang out in their 'hunting-grounds' of the places where westerners go to eg clarke quay!

I think alot of what officegirl has banged on about, such as the asian concept of love not existing etc etc. is pretty archaic and just not true. I've found that Asian girls, just as westerners, crave romance, love and to be treated well certainly more than material things.

I've found a lot of western girls in Singapore give the local girls a hard time, mainly through jealousy and envy......lots of local girls are pretty, slim, smart, well-educated, look after themselves, healthy, don't get blind drunk and fall over etc etc, so of course foreign guys will be attracted to them! And yeah that does give more competition to the 'average' western girls over there.....these are the same Western girls who basically write-off the local guys, so are already scrapping it out over a small pool, then get more and more bitter when they realise maybe they're not all that compared to many other girls around them. So then the easy thing is to lash out at the locals and try and prove that these girls are all white-hungry sluts!

A girl like officegirl will I'm sure have more dating luck in Zurich or London than in Singapore......and frankly there is less competition (plus alot of foreign guys here are happy to avoid dating the swiss-germans )

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Re: London vs Zurich

Well I would call Zürich a " manageable city"if you know what I mean.
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Many many (attractive) western women are struggling in Singapore and outside of the western world. There are Asian women from developing countries and there are Asian women from developed countries. However Asian déférence to autorité, filial piety, hard work, deferring enjoyment to the future, the focus on harmony and society means that Asians appear (I emphasize) appear more deferent. Hence why Asian women are seen so much more often with western women than the other way around. You're right Jenzza Caucasian men are more assertive (a trait seen by some as more masculine) hence again why western men are perceived by many (not all) as more attractive. Guys this is just reality.
Saying this is a reality doesn't mean that it's the reality for everybody else. Some people believe on what they choose to believe.
Furthermore, as an Asian, I don't want to be held responsible for my Western girlfriends staying single . I'm sure that there's a lot of guys here on EF as well as out there who will agree with me that it's not about where you come from or your racial background when it comes to finding the right date or partner (I think it has been mentioned in this thread somewhere in earlier pages).

Now that you have posted your picture on your profile here, just wait up, there might be a queue of EF guys, who I'm guessing is earning more than 120k annually

Oh and about Caucasian men being more assertive, I never notice the difference between them and the Asian men on this issue. I'm also not really sure more assertive in what ways. Is it the way they express their opinion? I know Western guys tend to be more opinionated, whereas Asian guys don't talk a lot, but act more
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