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In terms of number of posts and views is this some kind of record for a first time poster?

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It got me posting and I'm a newbie. I suspect she is massively enjoying the controversy
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Old 07.11.2014, 19:28
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Got your point, but then she seems to not like the Asians much and I am sure in London there will be far more Asians than here in Zurich. In fact it is the mix of culture, especially of the Asian type, which seems to have left a bad taste in her mouth (and perhaps a bad mouth too).

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She tried twice with Indian men, and mentioned a married Chinese guy, so it does not sound like a racist phobia. But the cultural context caused problems for her that hurt her, and would like to change her environment by moving away to a more even playing field for her. Understandable, imo. I first thought she was saying there was something wrong with Asians. But not the case.
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Well I would call Zürich a " manageable city"if you know what I mean.
Maybe, although there are plenty of non-Western foreigners here and OP might not like that?
Jokes aside, there are plenty of Westerners too. She should give Zürich a try...
God, we are so insensitive. But I feel she's looking for a certain type, and that would be difficult to find even for a pretty girl like OP.
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I just don't get it. Why "out of politeness"?

Why not just because it will greatly enrich and enhance one's own experience of their adoptive land - wherever that may be - albeit, Switzerland in this case.

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Maybe. I will start another thread in awhile because Zurich is one of our options for moving to and I have many questions. I hope my thread will be more productive and less nasty.
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Old 07.11.2014, 21:29
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Re: London vs Zurich

@CinnamonUK - to be fair I did say that I had two girlfriends that met their partners here just like you apparently did. Out of interest, of the single western women you know in Singapore, how many have met partners here? Also did you ever work in Singapore and how did your female western single coworkers find it here? Finally as I already pointed out, my views are based on my own expérience (working and travelling in Asia) and research derived from books and marriage and divorce statistics. What are your views based on? Do you know of any expat women who have divorced in Singapore? Do you know of the group AWARE that helps expay women getting divorced? Are you aware of how divorce works for expat women?
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Hi CinnamonUK, we must move in very different circles as that is not the experience of other western women I know. Most western women have said that it is hard to score a good date here. If you check out the expat forums in Singapore, what I am saying about the Singapore dating scene is also reflected there.

Secondly, as I have already said I know western women at both work and outside of work who have relocated due to the dating scene here. It's an issue that has been discussed in the workplace too. Indeed another girlfriend of mine was asked at her job interview in Singapore whether she was aware of the dating scene here in Singapore (also a lawyer). If there are so many western women who meet partners including local men then surely this would be reflected in Singapore marriage stats? But it isn't.

Regarding AWARE, yes it is a woman's rights group and the reason that expat women are forced to use it is because expat women often find themselves financially vulnerable. The Singapore government does not allow NGOs to operate in Singapore that are not first and foremost for the benefit of Singaporeans to operate in Singapore. Hence expat women are forced to use AWARE, a government controlled and funded NGO. Foreign lawyers are not allowed to represent expat women. Regarding the divorce process, even though typically many expat women are stay at home wives, there is no presumption of parental rights in favour of the home keeper. Finally your right to stay in Singapore dissapears once you get divorced. Under current immigration rules, you have one month to get out after the divorce order. On this subject:-

http://www.expatliving.sg/living_in_...story-6149.ece


http://news.asiaone.com/print/News/L...10-370749.html


http://www.globaldatingrevolution.co...are-for-women/

The above article reflects what I'm saying as to a number of other news and blog sites. It does seem that you don't want to acknowledge reality. Many western women are unable to date in Asia. This is reflected in expat forums, blogs and statistics - what alternative manner do you suggest uncovering what's really going on out here?


As I stated earlier, I came to Singapore for a local man, had only local friends and only grew to know the expat community after a couple of years following the end of my relationship with the local man so I can assure you that I have integrated or attempted to do so. I grew out of the local circle into the expat circle. If you're truly familiar with Asia then you will agree that in Asia (even in Singapore) you can emigrate here but you can and never will be accepted as an Asian. I've already pointed this out above. I won't post any more links but you can read about this for yourself.
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Old 08.11.2014, 01:43
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Re: London vs Zurich

I read only one article and I was amused by this conclusion...Does someone really believe that a Western woman (particularly a pleasant one) can't find a partner in Latin America or Eastern Europe?

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Is OfficeGirl the female equivalent of Switzerlanded? The two of you should hook up, it would be fascinating.
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Hi CinnamonUK, we must move in very different circles as that is not the experience of other western women I know. Most western women have said that it is hard to score a good date here. If you check out the expat forums in Singapore, what I am saying about the Singapore dating scene is also reflected there.
You are spending your Friday evening arguing with strangers on the internet how easy or hard it is to meet people... maybe you should better go to club street or duxton hill and actually give it a try...
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Shy, naive and obedient teenagers or young women with horribly looking and significantly older men...
One of them was demanding love! He was "craving" for love! Watch min.27....nauseating.

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Re: London vs Zurich

I find London far too big for me, it's a cosmopolitan city,so you find friends there easily and everywhere - in a cue in supermarket or even in a bus,everybody speaks to you. here in Zurich it's more like ooh sorry I didn't wanna push you and then they leave without any haha hihi,it's little bit cold,but if you know places and you go to English pub here in Zurich,everybody is nice to you...but you need to really put you priorities,if you wanna have a nature and cold Swiss or nice friendly people and busy city,although in London,you can find very nice places to visit. and what's the most important,you don't need to buy stuff only in ikea,like heir in Switzerland!!
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I find London far too big for me, it's a cosmopolitan city,so you find friends there easily and everywhere - in a cue in supermarket or even in a bus,everybody speaks to you. here in Zurich it's more like ooh sorry I didn't wanna push you and then they leave without any haha hihi,it's little bit cold,but if you know places and you go to English pub here in Zurich,everybody is nice to you...but you need to really put you priorities,if you wanna have a nature and cold Swiss or nice friendly people and busy city,although in London,you can find very nice places to visit. and what's the most important,you don't need to buy stuff only in ikea,like heir in Switzerland!!

you might explain the IKEA note --- nobody here has to do Shopping in IKEA
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Re: London vs Zurich

Yes some of what goes on in developing Asia is nauseating….anyway I'm keen to just close the subject and acknowledge that people have different views!! I'm staying silent on this subject from now on.

Can we get back to the subject of Zurich vs London?

So I'm actually tipping towards Zurich at the moment…as a Swiss I would like to rediscover Switzerland and it would be a great opportunity to improve my German and Swiss German? I haven't lived in Switzerland for ages although I spent a number of years in Geneva and as a result I speak French fluently. I feel that coming to live in the Swiss German part might give me an opportunity to become more of a "real" Swiss. Longterm, I think I identify more with Swiss values, I think the Swiss are very egalitarian and I think it's probably the only real functioning democracy. I'm keen to live in a country where I agree with the political, social and economic framework. Compared to the UK, I get the impression that the UK is increasingly a country with massive wealth disparity and the cost of living in London is just really high. I acknowledge that it's a great lively existing big city but I have to admit that I was relieved to leave London when I previously lived there due to the pressurized living conditions (long commute, high rent, etc…) It seems to be a difficult place to save money too.

How many hours a week do you guys reckon you have to put into learning German to get to a proficient level? Is it really that impossible to make Swiss German friends? I'm surprised that people see Zurich as dead according to some on this forum as a couple of family friends in Geneva say that Zurich is where it's all at…maybe it's just a question of perspective?
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How many hours a week do you guys reckon you have to put into learning German to get to a proficient level?
Earlier in the thread, someone mentioned immersion, which I think is the key. If you are working in a German-speaking office, you will pick it up very quickly.

It becomes more difficult when you work in a predominantly English-speaking office, and your exposure to Swiss German is more or less limited to being asked "Sammeln Sie Märkli?" at the Coop. I have certainly found this to be the case: at work I speak either English or High German, and three years after moving to the German-speaking part of the country, I don't feel my understanding of Swiss German has progressed as much as I would have liked.
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maybe it's just a question of perspective?
It always was.
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Well if you go to a school to learn German-3 hours a day ,5 days a week-intensive course then in 3 months you should be confident with the language.
" real Swiss" -what is that? Its just a concept. There's no such thing as a " real Swiss ".And why this concern for making Swiss German freinds. Of course you will make such friends.
And as for the politics here-its enough to make one vomit-with all these SVP initiatives against the foreigners. You really have been away from Switzerland too long.
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Yes some of what goes on in developing Asia is nauseating….anyway I'm keen to just close the subject and acknowledge that people have different views!! I'm staying silent on this subject from now on.

Can we get back to the subject of Zurich vs London?

So I'm actually tipping towards Zurich at the moment…as a Swiss I would like to rediscover Switzerland and it would be a great opportunity to improve my German and Swiss German? I haven't lived in Switzerland for ages although I spent a number of years in Geneva and as a result I speak French fluently. I feel that coming to live in the Swiss German part might give me an opportunity to become more of a "real" Swiss. Longterm, I think I identify more with Swiss values, I think the Swiss are very egalitarian and I think it's probably the only real functioning democracy. I'm keen to live in a country where I agree with the political, social and economic framework. Compared to the UK, I get the impression that the UK is increasingly a country with massive wealth disparity and the cost of living in London is just really high. I acknowledge that it's a great lively existing big city but I have to admit that I was relieved to leave London when I previously lived there due to the pressurized living conditions (long commute, high rent, etc…) It seems to be a difficult place to save money too.

How many hours a week do you guys reckon you have to put into learning German to get to a proficient level? Is it really that impossible to make Swiss German friends? I'm surprised that people see Zurich as dead according to some on this forum as a couple of family friends in Geneva say that Zurich is where it's all at…maybe it's just a question of perspective?
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Yes some of what goes on in developing Asia is nauseating….anyway I'm keen to just close the subject and acknowledge that people have different views!! I'm staying silent on this subject from now on.

Can we get back to the subject of Zurich vs London?

So I'm actually tipping towards Zurich at the moment…as a Swiss I would like to rediscover Switzerland and it would be a great opportunity to improve my German and Swiss German? I haven't lived in Switzerland for ages although I spent a number of years in Geneva and as a result I speak French fluently. I feel that coming to live in the Swiss German part might give me an opportunity to become more of a "real" Swiss. Longterm, I think I identify more with Swiss values, I think the Swiss are very egalitarian and I think it's probably the only real functioning democracy. I'm keen to live in a country where I agree with the political, social and economic framework. Compared to the UK, I get the impression that the UK is increasingly a country with massive wealth disparity and the cost of living in London is just really high. I acknowledge that it's a great lively existing big city but I have to admit that I was relieved to leave London when I previously lived there due to the pressurized living conditions (long commute, high rent, etc…) It seems to be a difficult place to save money too.

How many hours a week do you guys reckon you have to put into learning German to get to a proficient level? Is it really that impossible to make Swiss German friends? I'm surprised that people see Zurich as dead according to some on this forum as a couple of family friends in Geneva say that Zurich is where it's all at…maybe it's just a question of perspective?

when living in Zürich your dialect will gradually improve and everything in writing is in Standard German


To make Swiss German friends is well possible, but it is a slower process than in Italy or America. Not so much slower than in France and the Romandie


Hours ? Depends on you, your environment, your Job, etc. One hint, when here make excursions to Baden-Württemberg and Bayern. Fairly close are the Hohentwiel (Singen), beautiful Konstanz and Friedrichshafen, but also Lindau/D (Bayern) and Bregenz/OE (Vorarlberg). A bit farther the nice cities of Stuttgart and München. People there do not speak "High-German" but Badische/Württembergische/Bayrische variants of German.


"dead" ? no no no, but of course, both Zürich and Geneva have the same Problem. Zürich which, including outer suburbs just has a total Population of 830 000 inhabitants and Geneva with less than half a million (including Bacon belt) play the role of "world cities" but are not larger than Strassburg or Pisa. They both in international comparison are "market towns" . But from Zürich you can be in an hour in Germany, in 90 minutes in Austria and in 3 hours in Italy, and I refer to motor-car and railways
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