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With the same logic, just because you have been living in Asia (5 years in Singapore, and where else?) doesn't mean that you can understand what Asian perspective is. This is an overstatement.
Heck, I'm not even sure whether there is such thing as an Asian perspective. Again, it's a huge continent, you know. Even if there is any, it's certainly not the one you mentioned, that the West is naive and such. At least, me and all Asian people whom I know in my lifetime never think like that. No, I'm not trying to be a gatekeeper. It's just because I'm an Asian, and I have a perspective.
There might not be an Asian perspective in the sense that it might be more accurately termed a Chinese perspective shared by much of the diaspora in South East Asia. i'm not surprised that you're not aware of the "Asian"perspective because it's an elitist racist homogeneous and pragmatic view of the world.
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Then how come you got it? Are you not a Westerner? You are right that there are many perspectives and many are getting to know some of these whether Westerner or Latin American, African or Asian. It is also true that the Asian economies will get more assertive with time and indeed they should be given their population. It is but natural in a competitive world that the players who would negotiate the tide better will swim better or at least stay longer in the game.

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There might not be an Asian perspective in the sense that it might be more accurately termed a Chinese perspective shared by much of the diaspora in South East Asia. i'm not surprised that you're not aware of the "Asian"perspective because it's an elitist racist homogeneous and pragmatic view of the world.
Of course I'm not aware of that, because Asia is not (only) China.
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I don't understand what sensible personality would let bias, prejudice, even some interpretation of stats and stereotypes have such a huge effect on how one individuals perceives the world. So what there are apparently western and other perspectives..why hide behind them? Why use "books written by Asian intellectuals" as some magic love compass...Have your own life. Change if you feel like it. Don't change if you feel no need. Why justify it with some apparent trends of some mob groups. Think as an individual and aside of communal mindfulness and responsibility, report to nobody but yourself. Procreate after racially screening, if you feel the necessity. But do not try to justify it with "world trends". "Stats on behavior". It boils down to personal taste. And chances are hard to ensure in one city or the other, unless you take in account simply evident racial profile.

Westerners being naieve? Buh. Justifying heart matters and taste with long winded notions of preconceptions and assumptions...secures nada. Love is all about risk taking.

I am not a Westerner according to this thread. Yay. Good for me..Makes me what...not naieve? BS. Makes me simply me.

Why polarize the options into one or another...just because one might be afraid of heartache. There might be more. Sure.
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"After all, I spend more than eight hours a day in a cubicle". Not sure I understand that
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I will say this too; I get where you're coming from because I used to be like you and would throw the word racist in whenever difference was brought up. But honestly now that I understand the Asian perspective of the world, it frightens me to see how brain washed the west is. I totally get it now when Asians tell me that westerners are naive and sometimes plain stupid.
No, not true for me. I'm quite aware of some of the gory details of Asian culture. Contrary to your impression that I am a PC Liberal, I am actually a very conservative libertarian, and I just hold to the principle the ultimately, everyone is responsible for themselves. You should not try to blame your problems by pinning it on some collective group, such as a race. You should deal with your own problems. There is nobody here to blame but yourself.
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No, not true for me. I'm quite aware of some of the gory details of Asian culture. Contrary to your impression that I am a PC Liberal, I am actually a very conservative libertarian, and I just hold to the principle the ultimately, everyone is responsible for themselves. You should not try to blame your problems by pinning it on some collective group, such as a race. You should deal with your own problems. There is nobody here to blame but yourself.
Phos, can you guess if I were a US citizen which party I would vote for and which state I would probably work and live in ))))
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Have we discussed Ebola yet?
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Phos, can you guess if I were a US citizen which party I would vote for and which state I would probably work and live in ))))
Please don't try to identify me with you and some collective group. I'm not into such things. That pattern of thinking is the root of many human stupidities and evils.

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No, not true for me. I'm quite aware of some of the gory details of Asian culture. Contrary to your impression that I am a PC Liberal, I am actually a very conservative libertarian, and I just hold to the principle the ultimately, everyone is responsible for themselves. You should not try to blame your problems by pinning it on some collective group, such as a race. You should deal with your own problems. There is nobody here to blame but yourself.
Yeah, agree. Though I think I have low tolerance for libertarians. Hippies.

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You can dress an octopus in a suit but it doesn't mean it'll make electronic components at very good cheap price.
Off topic, DB you raise an interesting issue that reminds me of something. Recent literature on migrant workers take a more constructivist approach, basically arguing that cheap labour is socially constructed and is referred to or confined to certain race. Their analysis is generally inspired by gender studies on the idea of how women are seen as cheap labour.



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I don't understand what sensible personality would let bias, prejudice, even some interpretation of stats and stereotypes have such a huge effect on how one individuals perceives the world. So what there are apparently western and other perspectives..why hide behind them? Why use "books written by Asian intellectuals" as some magic love compass...Have your own life. Change if you feel like it. Don't change if you feel no need. Why justify it with some apparent trends of some mob groups. Think as an individual and aside of communal mindfulness and responsibility, report to nobody but yourself. Procreate after racially screening, if you feel the necessity. But do not try to justify it with "world trends". "Stats on behavior". It boils down to personal taste. And chances are hard to ensure in one city or the other, unless you take in account simply evident racial profile.
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Have we discussed Ebola yet?
Apparently the inscrutability gene affords the Asiatic excellent protection against haemorhagic fevers, or so my doctor told me.
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I don't understand what sensible personality would let bias, prejudice, even some interpretation of stats and stereotypes have such a huge effect on how one individuals perceives the world. So what there are apparently western and other perspectives..why hide behind them? Why use "books written by Asian intellectuals" as some magic love compass...Have your own life. Change if you feel like it. Don't change if you feel no need. Why justify it with some apparent trends of some mob groups. Think as an individual and aside of communal mindfulness and responsibility, report to nobody but yourself. Procreate after racially screening, if you feel the necessity. But do not try to justify it with "world trends". "Stats on behavior". It boils down to personal taste. And chances are hard to ensure in one city or the other, unless you take in account simply evident racial profile.

Westerners being naieve? Buh. Justifying heart matters and taste with long winded notions of preconceptions and assumptions...secures nada. Love is all about risk taking.

I am not a Westerner according to this thread. Yay. Good for me..Makes me what...not naieve? BS. Makes me simply me.

Why polarize the options into one or another...just because might be afraid of heartache. There might be more. Sure.
Girlfriend, I'm not taking personal life decisions based on a Chinese/Asian racist view of the world. Certainly not in my personal life (except that I will never ever date an Asian from Asia). However some of this view has certainly filtered into the interactions and experiences I've had living out here. It's reflected in all sorts of everyday ways eg the legal rights you get as a landlord or tenant in many countries of Asia. I do believe in reciprocity. Now that I've experienced and read up on Asia I am of the view that there should be reciprocity in treatment of citizens. Eg in the Thai property market ...Thailand does not let foreigners hold title to land in their name...well I am of the view that when Thais come over to the UK or Switzerland we should grant them exactly the same rights, ie none. There are many other examples I could give.
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I'm a single 34 year old woman so the dating scene is quite important to me but i'm also looking to settle somewhere permanently.

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I'm interested in the world today and how it got here. One of the reasons I'm single is because I spend a lot of my spare time reading books especially by non-western authors about politics and economics. It's also partially part of my job.
Oh, well as far as that goes you can read the same books in either city. Conclusion: flip a coin, the two dating scenes are not materially different for you.
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I'm interested in the world today and how it got here.
And that couldn't be without also studying the effects of European colonialism, or the Industrial Revolution or Economic Liberalization in India and other developing countries or Guo jin min tui etc etc.

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Brothel culture emerged in the East.
And what did you mean by such a gross statement? Brothels existed more or less everywhere, in Athens and Shanghai and Benares and Istanbul. And not only in the ancient world, modern states like US and Australia have brothels.

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